hi Rick,

I'll look into raising a defect - when I tried changing my dependency to the 
derbytools I ended up with a different error (which I also think is related to 
the modularisation of Derby) but I didn't have time to investigate further 
because this was paid work so just downgraded to the java 8 version, but I'll 
look into this later in the week and make suggestions to suit.

Kerry

On 23/10/2019 02:33, Rick Hillegas wrote:
> Thanks for this discussion, Kerry and Jerry. Please file a docs bug and 
> suggest how this can be described better.
>
> You are right, it is the modularization of Derby which broke this behavior 
> for you. Before modularization, the two drivers (embedded and network) lived 
> in the same package but separate jar files (derby.jar and derbyclient.jar). 
> That had to be untangled in order to achieve jigsaw-ready partitioning of 
> packages across jars.
>
> If you rely on driver autoloading and simply connect via 
> DriverManager.getConnection() using a JDBC URL, then the tools jar is NOT 
> needed. But if you connect via a DataSource, then you need derbytools.jar, 
> which contains the old drivers.
>
> You also need derbytools.jar if you boot the drivers the very old-fashioned 
> way via Class.forName(). I believe that the original Spring framework 
> pre-dates the driver autoloading introduced by Java 6. It seems that you 
> still have to tell Spring the driver class name. Our documentation should say 
> more about this old usage pattern. Thanks in advance for the doc issue and 
> for your recommendations.
>
> -Rick
>
> On 10/22/19 2:48 PM, Kerry wrote:
>> Thanks Jerry,
>>
>> The one artefact I didn't check, but that doesn't seem right somehow now .. 
>> seeing as there is still derbyclient? Should documentation be updated too to 
>> reflect that?:
>>
>> https://db.apache.org/derby/docs/10.15/getstart/rgslib46043.html
>>
>> I can see if I can raise a ticket if that;s the case
>>
>> Kerry
>>
>> On 22/10/2019 22:24, Jerry Lampi wrote:
>>> Kerry,
>>> Looks like it moved to derbytools.jar.
>>> lib\derbytools.jar->class=org/apache/derby/jdbc/ClientDriver.class
>>> Jerry
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Kerry <karaf-u...@avionicengineers.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 3:56 PM
>>> To: derby-user@db.apache.org
>>> Subject: Derby driver class name v10.15.1.3
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I've been trying to configure a Spring boot application to work with 
>>> version 10.15.1.3 of Derby client and I need to specify the driver name in 
>>> the applications.properties file (spring.datasource.driver-class-name= 
>>> *****). Prior to this version I would have used 
>>> org.apache.derby.jdbc.ClientDriver in the derbyclient.jar .. but it not 
>>> longer exists in 10.15.1.3 of Derby? I've looked through all the other 
>>> Derby artifacts for this version and cannot find the class.
>>>
>>> Should I be doing something different with this version of Derby? (because 
>>> of the modularisation introduced in Java 9?) I couldn't see anything in the 
>>> documentation for v10.15.1.3.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Kerry
>>>
>>>
>
>

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