On Wed, 18 May 2011 12:10:11 -0400 
Máirín Duffy wrote:

> This team is what matters, I really don't care what outsiders think.
> 
Those who are outsiders now are potential future contributors. If we
look like constantly fighting with desktop team and even our leader we
aren't going to attract new contributors :-(

> On Wed, 2011-05-18 at 18:05 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote:
> 
> > Well, I'd say, for me they're both equally important. We are
> > promoting doing design the opensource way, so the process should be
> > very important to us.
> 
> A key feature of any process though it that it actually WORKS. If it
> relies on people stepping up to help each other and they are not, the
> process is not working. Release after release after release it is the
> same story, and quite frankly I am tired of it.
The current wallpaper works, if I'd compared it to software, it has less
bugs than KDE 4.0 had and we shipped that one as well ;-); the process
clogs on not having enough people being able/apt to contribute to
wallpaper design (frankly, for me wallpaper is way beyond my skills, so
I at least try to help a little with the wiki pages management,
packaging and feedback). 

Looking at it realistically: yes, short-time the end product is more
important, but long-time if the process is broken, there's bound to
appear a case when the end product fails (which IMHO isn't F15 -- we
produced two rather fine-looking wallpapers, even though one of them
would certainly profit from little polishing). Hence I put them on
equal terms.

Martin

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