Hi James,
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 4:54 AM, James A. Schulz <[email protected]>wrote: > Christoph, > > No, I don't see anything in the "new features" that addresses the problems > I > listed. Let me try again: > > 1. The "ghost" icons I described in my original post can be see at: > http://www.wiseware.com/LibreOffice/GhostIcons.jpg > The picture is helpful. My PC is dead at the moment but I tried to find the same issues with the Mac version of LibO. Unfortunately, I can't duplicate that problem. Additionally, I can't even find those icons in the standard toolbar icon set. Three questions: 1) Do you have any Macros installed? 2) Do you have custom toolbars? 3) What commands are the buttons associated with? (Go to toolbars-customize...) > 2. Create a new text document, type something, save it. No press the > ALT-F(ile) key combination. Notice that the "Save" item on the File Menu > is > disabled. This means that if you are a user habituated to ALT-F-S, you end > up "stuck" in the File Menu and you have to press ESC to return to your > document. (Yes, I know that users habituated to CTRL-S don't have this > problem, but that's not the point.) Why penalize users by requiring this > extra key-stroke just because they tried to save the current document when > it didn't need saving. Don't we want to encourage even such > over-conscientious users to save whenever they happen to think of it. Real > writing is an on-again-off-again sort of thing. One spends a good deal of > time just staring at whatever paragraph happens to be on the screen at the > moment. So the phone right, and you come out of that chance and before you > answer the call, you press ALF-F-S just in case you hadn't thought to save > before you went into your trance. And when you do that (i.e. press > ALT-F-S) > you end up stuck in the menu (and you are annoyed). MS Word does not do > this. WordPerfect never did it. Why must writer do it. The right thing > is > never to disable the "Save" item. The system can avoid wasting its time by > simply ignoring the unnecessary save command without "punishing" the user > for issuing it. > I believe the reason LibO disables save is to provide a means of feedback to the user that indeed their document is saved. I agree that it is unfair that the users that use ALT-F-S get "stuck" when they go to save since the command is disabled when a document is saved. > 3. Open a new writer document. Notice that the window has the usual "X" > window close button, but below that, in an otherwise empty bar that runs > across the screen, there is another, smaller "x' that closes only the > document. Now open a second document. In this new window, there is only > the "X" window close button (i.e. the document close button is not where to > be seen). True, using the window close button in this second window > returns > you to the first document, but why show this inconsistent interface, i.e. > why not make all document windows identical?. Of course, if LO would > switch > to (in my opinion) the vastly preferable Multiple Document Interface, that > redesign would likely solve this problem. > Once again with my PC on the fritz I cannot duplicate this issue. I believe I understand what you are talking about though. I agree that there should be consistency: 1) No documents have "close" buttons 2) All documents have "close" buttons Hopefully someone with a PC can duplicate the toolbar problem but please in the interim let me know what those buttons are. Cheers, Jaron > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [email protected] List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
