Hi all,

There's another GUI "function" that I find really smart in MS Office :
when you select some text, a box appears next to your mouse cursor which
enables you to change the text's formatting (color, size, boldness,
font, etc). Doing so prevents the user to go reach the top side of the
screen which is further away. If the user moves the mouse away, the box
fades out so that it isn't too anoying for people who don't want to use it.

In a more general maner, looking for systems allowing the user to go
"next door" instead of the far top of the screen could be an interesting
issue.

Also, the parts of the screen which contain hardly anything (for
instance on the sides of pages) might be those which should contain most
buttons.

Cheers,

Gaël


Le 27/05/2011 00:36, planas a écrit :
> Bernard
>
> On Thu, 2011-05-26 at 15:13 +0200, Bernhard Dippold wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> sorry for stepping in here so late, especially as this topic has been 
>> discussed over and over again in OOo UX (Renaissance) and here
>> in LibreOffice too.
>>
>> Irrelevant of the fact that some people understand the word "ribbon"
>> as a red flag they start to rant against, we neither copy any competitor's
>> design decisions without really good reasons nor we drop support to 
>> our present users  just because we want to establish something "new"
>> and "cool".
>>
>> I'm quite sure that we'll be able to combine a static menu structure with 
>> a context sensitive one and provide this to the user in an easy-to-use
>> and eye-pleasing way. And this structure will be at least as configurable 
>> as the present UI.
>>
>> You all are right that this needs thorough development and research - 
>> it's one of our most important tasks for the next months and years.
>>
>> But please stop discussing the word "ribbon" and what MS created 
>> by using this word - this keeps us away from real work on LibreOffice
>> design.
>>
>> Create a wiki page containing our UI goals - for all of our target groups.
>>
>> Start defining the context sensitive areas and find out how they can be 
>> accessed via static menus without double effort.
>>
>> Have a look what Renaissance already did on OOo - and use these
>> results as basis for your own work.
>>
>> We have many areas where our presence is really important - this topic
>> is one of them.
>>
>> But we should avoid to discuss details like graphical approach, menu 
>> positioning and so on: The first thing to do is defining the functionality - 
>> form
>> will follow function when we really know how it should work...
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Bernhard
>>
>> PS: And please keep in mind, that we need to convince our developers to work
>> in this area - otherwise none of our ideas will come true...
>>
> I think we should try to understand what MS was trying to do with the
> ribbon and then examine how well it works and where it fails. More not
> to inadvertently make the same mistake
>


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