On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 16:34 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: > Hi Astron > > Le 2011-06-24 14:23, Astron a écrit : > > Hi, > > > >>> I think I had seen somewhere on one of the wiki pages, a specific > >>> recommendation for a font for print, was is not Vegur? > > "Vegur" is used for the logo, but the kerning had to be adapted etc > > for it. It is far from ready to become an interface or printing font > > as it lacks glyph coverage (even relatively basic latin symbols like > > á, ä etc. do not work and is badly kerned. It still is at the begin of > > its development. > > > > The fonts that print best and look best on screen without subpixel > > hinting are unfortunately all Microsoft fonts (Arial, Tahoma, Verdana > > etc.)—they put lots of money in their fonts and even if find the > > shapes themselves of all of these fonts (except for Georgia and > > Sylfaen) pretty awful, the effort Microsoft put in the fonts shows. > > > > > >>> I just checked on my system (Mageia 1 -> a Mandriva fork), FreeSans is > >>> not installed. How is the Liberation font family for print? > > That's odd. There's probably a package, but still... > > I don't like Liberation Sans to much, because instead of being a > > Helvetica clone, it mimics Arial (which itself only mimics Helvetica) > > and shares some ugliness with it. I admit, this is font geekery and > > probably not very interesting to you. So, yes, it is usable as an > > interface and also as a printing font. > > Anyway, what I meant when I spoke about printing was, how well > > screenshots with a certain hinting/anti-aliasing print (anti-aliasing > > basically means smoothing via grey pixels at round parts of a glyph > > or, nowadays, parts of neighbouring colour cells [1]). > > If you leave sub-pixel rendering while taking screenshots, the > > screenshots will print with odd colour artefacts (see image 4 on the > > right side of [1]). Using grey-only antialiasing prevents this but > > looks noticeably worse on screen. > > > > Also note, that it's very easy to have bad font hinting on free > > systems (hinting is the process in which font outlines are subtly > > manipulated to fit certain rasters at smaller sizes), because hinting > > using the hints that a font itself provides [2] is a patented > > technique and is therefore usually disabled on Linux systems. > > It's relatively easy on the other hand to disable hinting completely > > and have slightly fuzzy but truer to form fonts. To do this, click on > > "Details" in the Gnome appearance panel and choose either "Greyscale" > > smoothing or "Sub-pixel rendering" (for day-to-day stuff, use subpixel > > rendering, for screenshots "greyscale") and then choose "None" under > > "Hinting". > > > >> You can find them all here: > >> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/DE/Doku/Allgemein/Screenshots > >> > >> I also made those screenshots under Mageia 1, I didn't set a specific font. > >> It just says "Sans" > >> or "Sans Bold". For one set of screenshots I changed from a 10 point font > >> to > >> 12 points, to see > >> how this would look like. For the font rendering I chose "Best contrast" > >> inspite of me having a > >> flatscreen monitor. > > "Sans" is an alias for "Deja Vu Sans" on almost an Linux system today. > > "Serif" usually is the alias for "Deja Vu Serif". Now, another > > personal thing: I don't like this font (that is, the sans-serif > > version, the serif one is okay, just not for interfaces). > > Sorry for blabbering this much about fonts. > > > > > > Astron. > > > > > > [1] see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Font_rasterization > > [2] as opposed to the font engine determining entirely on it's own how to > > hint > > > > No problem with your comments on fonts as this is one of the issues the > documentation team has with the printing of screenshots. If you do have > a recommendation for a particular font, then we should make sure that > accessibility to the font is assured. If the font is opensource then we > should have no problem storing the font on one of our servers. > > I do not know what it would take for a good print from a font, hopefully > some people with experience in this field will also speak out. If not, > we could always ask the opinion of a reputable printing shop. I am sure > we could get comments from many on which font would be preferred for print.
The "best" font for print is often not the best font for reading a PDF on-screen. IMO Liberation Sans does a good job for both purposes, in terms of weight (thickness) and contrast, even though it's not as pleasing to the eye as some other fonts which don't always work well in both situations. --Jean -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
