Hi Michel, 2013/12/13 Michel Renon <[email protected]>
> Hi, > > Le 06/12/2013 19:39, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit : > >> Hello Michel, >> >> [...] >> >> >> Indeed. I find you quite shy in fact, and I'm serious. To me it does >> not look like you were ignored, rather that no one knows about it. >> Which is a problem since the start. >> > > > I wouldn't say I'm shy, I'm just polite and I don't want to waste time and > energy in endless discussion (mail or chat). And I understood that in this > mailing list, you have to insist or even be aggressive to explain/force > your UX ideas while I expected professional skills and democracy, at least > meritocracy (I really miss Christoph Noack). > > > > >> [...] >>> >> >> What would be better is that if your proposals were communicated. I've >> never seen your name, never read any of your mails (except this thread) >> before. >> > > False ! > I wrote articles in my blog about LibreOffice design process in > march/april 2013 and on 11/04/2013 sent an email : > To: [email protected], libreoffice-ux-advise@lists. > freedesktop.org > Cc: [email protected], [email protected] > > So, you had at least one (important !) email from me. > > And I had only 2 answers : > - one from Emir Yāsin SARI > - the other from Michael Meeks : > (short version with my words) > - "we don't want to take care of your advises" > - "TDF is very happy with the current design team" > > and also few comments directly in the blog, but nobody from the TDF. > So, when someone as Michael Meeks closes the door to my suggestions, what > can I expect ? I would be foolish to insist. > > > So I can return your argument : > why only 2 person wrote answers to my articles in this ml ? > why didn't you realized at that time that I have some expertise in UX > design ? > why nothing has changed in the design team workflow ? and in the way devs > and designers work together ? > > > Ans same question for my suggestion to postpone the startcenter : you ask > my reasons to do so, but I explained it in my mail, just read it ! > > > > I don't read everything on the design list, but I believe that >> if you have not engaged with the design team first, nothing will happen. >> > > > Just FYI, I started with project OOo Renaissance ! (May 2009) > (https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance/Design_Proposals_for_%E2%80% > 9CAccessing_Functionality%E2%80%9D) > https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Proposal_by_Michel_Renon > > My complete proposal as a pdf file (37 pages, 630 Ko) > https://wiki.openoffice.org/w/images/2/26/Proposal_impress_ui_renon3.pdf > (it was far from being perfect because I created it in few nights, while > working for a diploma ; but still interesting ideas) > > BTW, you can see that there was already the "dribbblization" problem : > only proposals made with screenshots had strong reviews. > > > and I'm listed in the initial members of LO design team (but this page has > been archived) : > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Team > > BTW, Mirek, there is no information about you. > What is your *real* experience in software design ? > Have you ever produced a professional software ? > No. I'm simply a volunteer here, nothing else. :) As I said before, I was never appointed as a UX lead, and you're welcome to partake in all the activities I partake in. You can act as the "UX lead", if you'd like. :) > > For my emails, just look at archive of mailing list and chat logs : I > worked for color picker, template manager. > From my email client stats, I wrote 77 mails in design list and 52 in > ux-advise. > I agree, I didn't communicated on a regular basis : I'm just a volunteer > and also have a daily job. But when I realized that current design team > lacks basic UX skills (while working on color picker), I lost most of my > motivation and felt it was useless to make proposals. > > > > And the last emails in this mailing list really broke the last bits of > motivation : > - saying officially that design is and will ever be a second class citizen > It all depends on the people. If you have the skills to make design a first class citizen here, go for it. Don't ask for my approval -- you don't need it. > - saying officially that TDF will never listen to users > That's not exactly true. What was said is that user comments won't be the primary driving force behind development, to avoid feature creep. > - saying officially that nothing will change (no roadmap, no mid/long term > vision, only "bazaar" short term changes) beacuse LO is, as Charles said, a > libertarian project > You can propose a roadmap or a vision. If people like it, they'll follow it. > - design team has no plans to enhance the design process > Come to the IRC chat on Saturday -- we can talk about the design process then. However, it seemed to me from your blog posts that you were asking for a paid group of professional UX designers working outside of the community, which I don't really think has a chance of happening anytime soon. > > So I have nothing more to do for LibreOffice. > So this is my last message before unsubscribe. > I'm sorry you feel that way. > > Michel > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
