Hello,Would it be possible to postpone the roll-out date?Of course the final decision is yours, but rolling out a website without considering all the feedback given above would not be preferable I guess. At least adding some screenshots and giving product/component specific information is essential I think - for a software website. For mission specific purposes, there is always TDF website. And I see this thread is tagged "beta" referring to the website design, I am not sure if any major changes done afterwards, but it still looks exactly the same. So is it still beta, or reached maturity?Regarding to earlier input, I do not recall any input request before 21st of January, nor any design mock-up to work on. Please correct if I am wrong. Best regards,Emir Charles-H. Schulz wrote > Er... Thanks folks for your input. As the website will be rolled outnext > week, and that we requested this kind of feedback since, well,3 months for > some elements in 3 weeks for the "final" results, I suggestyou, the design > team, work on a later version of the website later thisyear and > incorporate the elements that have been listed below. We would have hoped > for your input much earlier in the process, nowit's a bit too late for > that.Thanks,Charles.Le Fri, 31 Jan 2014 19:13:49 +0100,Stefan Knorr <
> heinzlesspam@ > > a écrit :> Hi all,> > so, first, I really like the new page, > especially the fact that it is> now responsive and looks much more modern. > Lato is a nice font, too.> And it finally feels a bit more personal than > the current page which> presents pretty models as our community.> > > just > to voice a few things of my own...> > On 25 January 2014 12:20, bitigçi > < > bitigchi@ > > wrote:> > I wonder why the current shade of green which is already > hosted on> > the splash screen and wiki page? This one is too much dark > and> > without proper border gradients it looks like it's from 90s. > Again,> > this is needed for compatibility in all LO web and software> > > platforms. Seriously, why the need for a change? Splash screen> > green > shade is very easy on the eyes, and it is good looking. But> > this one > with white text is not the perfect choice.> > Right. The problem is that > the splash screen green was not part of our> palette before 4.0. And > compared to the rest of the palette, it does> look that way, too.> On the > other hand, I also understand your criticism -- the green is> indeed > pretty harsh. For me, it still works, though. (However, putting> that > green in the splash screen again though will not allow for being> subtle. > And yes, since our branding story should be aligned from> product to > website at some point, we would have to think about this.> That said, if > we're using that dark green, it would be much better to> use it for text & > logo instead of the background.)> > Anyway... One thing that does not work > is using small black text on> dark green. It doesn't contrast well at all. > Also, it reminds me of> this:> > http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/scale_medium/mig/6/2/6/1/2236261-XboxOne1_20201_screen.jpg> > ;) Wonder why they went with that -- It's actually much worse on a> > real-life poster.> > > Also white text on white background is a no-no, > it's literally an> > eye-killer.> > I guess you should explain where on > the page that was -- I couldn't> find it.> > > > Menus on top should be > opened automatically on mouse hover, it's the> > standard gesture in all > websites.> > +1. Also, hovering works with CSS only, for clickable menus > you need> JS. This means that currently, when disabling JS in the browser, > the> menu is needlessly broken. (It won't matter for the mobile page, as> > you can't disable JS in mobile browsers anyway.)> > > > Also as different > people already stated above, this website needs> > nice screenshots with > feature explanations, no one cares about what> > kind of sacred mission > LibreOffice has, people need a software that> > works.> > Yep. Marketing > to the 10 % (or less) of people that care about the> whole open-source & > community aspect is very important, but marketing> to the other 90 % > shouldn't be completely left aside..> > On a similar note: the footer > communicates to me that this community> is just overkilling it socially. > Nobody cares, and nobody actually> wants two Twitter feeds to load at the > bottom of every page (consider> page load times etc.).> Same with the > "follow us" thing -- two Twitter links, fine. Five? Why?> Also, the > presence of this bar could be reduced a little (smaller> headline on the > same line as the icons maybe?).> > A few other things:> + Some mentioned > the Get Involved page and the carousel there: I> personally don't think > this makes any sense. There is a limited number> (they are not changing > every week) of items and people are probably> only interested in one or > two very specific things. So, the page> should allow for selecting a > "career path" without having to wait for> the slides to animate through or > clicking through all slides which is> cumbersome.> > + Why is the header > LibreOffice logo grey? (That is actually not a> colour sanctioned in the > brand guide, white is allowed)> > + The text baseline between the top logo > and the top menu items seems> a little off (on Windows) maybe you could > correct that.> > + The font on the Download Now button on the homepage is > wrong (should> probably be Lato, but is Arial). Also, worse, it still lies > and only> links to the download page. See Mozilla.org for how it should be > (they> test(ed) this workflow _very_ meticulously, even down to comparing > the> effectiveness of different colours): http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/> > (button links right to download, button has all the most important> > information)> > Best regards,> > Astron.> -- Charles-H. Schulz Co-founder, > The Document Foundation,Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 BerlinGemeinnützige > rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen RechtsLegal details: > http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprintMobile Number: +33 (0)6 98 65 54 > 24.-- To unsubscribe e-mail to: > [email protected] > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/Posting > guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/NetiquetteList > archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/All messages > sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted Charles-H. Schulz wrote > Er... Thanks folks for your input. As the website will be rolled outnext > week, and that we requested this kind of feedback since, well,3 months for > some elements in 3 weeks for the "final" results, I suggestyou, the design > team, work on a later version of the website later thisyear and > incorporate the elements that have been listed below. We would have hoped > for your input much earlier in the process, nowit's a bit too late for > that.Thanks,Charles.Le Fri, 31 Jan 2014 19:13:49 +0100,Stefan Knorr < > heinzlesspam@ > > a écrit :> Hi all,> > so, first, I really like the new page, > especially the fact that it is> now responsive and looks much more modern. > Lato is a nice font, too.> And it finally feels a bit more personal than > the current page which> presents pretty models as our community.> > > just > to voice a few things of my own...> > On 25 January 2014 12:20, bitigçi > < > bitigchi@ > > wrote:> > I wonder why the current shade of green which is already > hosted on> > the splash screen and wiki page? This one is too much dark > and> > without proper border gradients it looks like it's from 90s. > Again,> > this is needed for compatibility in all LO web and software> > > platforms. Seriously, why the need for a change? Splash screen> > green > shade is very easy on the eyes, and it is good looking. But> > this one > with white text is not the perfect choice.> > Right. The problem is that > the splash screen green was not part of our> palette before 4.0. And > compared to the rest of the palette, it does> look that way, too.> On the > other hand, I also understand your criticism -- the green is> indeed > pretty harsh. For me, it still works, though. (However, putting> that > green in the splash screen again though will not allow for being> subtle. > And yes, since our branding story should be aligned from> product to > website at some point, we would have to think about this.> That said, if > we're using that dark green, it would be much better to> use it for text & > logo instead of the background.)> > Anyway... One thing that does not work > is using small black text on> dark green. It doesn't contrast well at all. > Also, it reminds me of> this:> > http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/scale_medium/mig/6/2/6/1/2236261-XboxOne1_20201_screen.jpg> > ;) Wonder why they went with that -- It's actually much worse on a> > real-life poster.> > > Also white text on white background is a no-no, > it's literally an> > eye-killer.> > I guess you should explain where on > the page that was -- I couldn't> find it.> > > > Menus on top should be > opened automatically on mouse hover, it's the> > standard gesture in all > websites.> > +1. Also, hovering works with CSS only, for clickable menus > you need> JS. This means that currently, when disabling JS in the browser, > the> menu is needlessly broken. (It won't matter for the mobile page, as> > you can't disable JS in mobile browsers anyway.)> > > > Also as different > people already stated above, this website needs> > nice screenshots with > feature explanations, no one cares about what> > kind of sacred mission > LibreOffice has, people need a software that> > works.> > Yep. Marketing > to the 10 % (or less) of people that care about the> whole open-source & > community aspect is very important, but marketing> to the other 90 % > shouldn't be completely left aside..> > On a similar note: the footer > communicates to me that this community> is just overkilling it socially. > Nobody cares, and nobody actually> wants two Twitter feeds to load at the > bottom of every page (consider> page load times etc.).> Same with the > "follow us" thing -- two Twitter links, fine. Five? Why?> Also, the > presence of this bar could be reduced a little (smaller> headline on the > same line as the icons maybe?).> > A few other things:> + Some mentioned > the Get Involved page and the carousel there: I> personally don't think > this makes any sense. There is a limited number> (they are not changing > every week) of items and people are probably> only interested in one or > two very specific things. So, the page> should allow for selecting a > "career path" without having to wait for> the slides to animate through or > clicking through all slides which is> cumbersome.> > + Why is the header > LibreOffice logo grey? (That is actually not a> colour sanctioned in the > brand guide, white is allowed)> > + The text baseline between the top logo > and the top menu items seems> a little off (on Windows) maybe you could > correct that.> > + The font on the Download Now button on the homepage is > wrong (should> probably be Lato, but is Arial). Also, worse, it still lies > and only> links to the download page. See Mozilla.org for how it should be > (they> test(ed) this workflow _very_ meticulously, even down to comparing > the> effectiveness of different colours): http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/> > (button links right to download, button has all the most important> > information)> > Best regards,> > Astron.> -- Charles-H. Schulz Co-founder, > The Document Foundation,Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 BerlinGemeinnützige > rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen RechtsLegal details: > http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprintMobile Number: +33 (0)6 98 65 54 > 24.-- To unsubscribe e-mail to: > [email protected] > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/Posting > guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/NetiquetteList > archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/All messages > sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted Charles-H. Schulz wrote > Er... Thanks folks for your input. As the website will be rolled outnext > week, and that we requested this kind of feedback since, well,3 months for > some elements in 3 weeks for the "final" results, I suggestyou, the design > team, work on a later version of the website later thisyear and > incorporate the elements that have been listed below. We would have hoped > for your input much earlier in the process, nowit's a bit too late for > that.Thanks,Charles.Le Fri, 31 Jan 2014 19:13:49 +0100,Stefan Knorr < > heinzlesspam@ > > a écrit :> Hi all,> > so, first, I really like the new page, > especially the fact that it is> now responsive and looks much more modern. > Lato is a nice font, too.> And it finally feels a bit more personal than > the current page which> presents pretty models as our community.> > > just > to voice a few things of my own...> > On 25 January 2014 12:20, bitigçi > < > bitigchi@ > > wrote:> > I wonder why the current shade of green which is already > hosted on> > the splash screen and wiki page? This one is too much dark > and> > without proper border gradients it looks like it's from 90s. > Again,> > this is needed for compatibility in all LO web and software> > > platforms. Seriously, why the need for a change? Splash screen> > green > shade is very easy on the eyes, and it is good looking. But> > this one > with white text is not the perfect choice.> > Right. The problem is that > the splash screen green was not part of our> palette before 4.0. And > compared to the rest of the palette, it does> look that way, too.> On the > other hand, I also understand your criticism -- the green is> indeed > pretty harsh. For me, it still works, though. (However, putting> that > green in the splash screen again though will not allow for being> subtle. > And yes, since our branding story should be aligned from> product to > website at some point, we would have to think about this.> That said, if > we're using that dark green, it would be much better to> use it for text & > logo instead of the background.)> > Anyway... One thing that does not work > is using small black text on> dark green. It doesn't contrast well at all. > Also, it reminds me of> this:> > http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/scale_medium/mig/6/2/6/1/2236261-XboxOne1_20201_screen.jpg> > ;) Wonder why they went with that -- It's actually much worse on a> > real-life poster.> > > Also white text on white background is a no-no, > it's literally an> > eye-killer.> > I guess you should explain where on > the page that was -- I couldn't> find it.> > > > Menus on top should be > opened automatically on mouse hover, it's the> > standard gesture in all > websites.> > +1. Also, hovering works with CSS only, for clickable menus > you need> JS. This means that currently, when disabling JS in the browser, > the> menu is needlessly broken. (It won't matter for the mobile page, as> > you can't disable JS in mobile browsers anyway.)> > > > Also as different > people already stated above, this website needs> > nice screenshots with > feature explanations, no one cares about what> > kind of sacred mission > LibreOffice has, people need a software that> > works.> > Yep. Marketing > to the 10 % (or less) of people that care about the> whole open-source & > community aspect is very important, but marketing> to the other 90 % > shouldn't be completely left aside..> > On a similar note: the footer > communicates to me that this community> is just overkilling it socially. > Nobody cares, and nobody actually> wants two Twitter feeds to load at the > bottom of every page (consider> page load times etc.).> Same with the > "follow us" thing -- two Twitter links, fine. Five? Why?> Also, the > presence of this bar could be reduced a little (smaller> headline on the > same line as the icons maybe?).> > A few other things:> + Some mentioned > the Get Involved page and the carousel there: I> personally don't think > this makes any sense. There is a limited number> (they are not changing > every week) of items and people are probably> only interested in one or > two very specific things. So, the page> should allow for selecting a > "career path" without having to wait for> the slides to animate through or > clicking through all slides which is> cumbersome.> > + Why is the header > LibreOffice logo grey? (That is actually not a> colour sanctioned in the > brand guide, white is allowed)> > + The text baseline between the top logo > and the top menu items seems> a little off (on Windows) maybe you could > correct that.> > + The font on the Download Now button on the homepage is > wrong (should> probably be Lato, but is Arial). Also, worse, it still lies > and only> links to the download page. See Mozilla.org for how it should be > (they> test(ed) this workflow _very_ meticulously, even down to comparing > the> effectiveness of different colours): http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/> > (button links right to download, button has all the most important> > information)> > Best regards,> > Astron.> -- Charles-H. Schulz Co-founder, > The Document Foundation,Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 BerlinGemeinnützige > rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen RechtsLegal details: > http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprintMobile Number: +33 (0)6 98 65 54 > 24.-- To unsubscribe e-mail to: > [email protected] > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/Posting > guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/NetiquetteList > archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/All messages > sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Website-Redesign-Beta-tp4093204p4095148.html Sent from the Design mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [email protected] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
