I would like to put an item on the agenda for next week (or the week after).
We have a meta bug:
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164250
tracking the problem of RTL, CTL, CJK users not seeing full RTL-CTL/CJK
support enabled by default. There have been several suggestions
regarding how to deal with this situation:
* A more expansive heuristic
* Switching the default: Enable full support by default, disable it if
some heuristic determines it is safe/valid.
* Enable full UI support when a relevant document (RTL-CTL, or CJK) is
edited for the first time.
and - a drastic solution:
* Always enable full UI support for all language groups, period.
Now, this last alternative may be a good idea, but - it's a significant
change, and I don't remember that we were all in consensus about this,
as evidenced by all the other bugs being open and seeing some
discussion. But, beyond that - in the middle of the discussion of
reservations regarding this change on the bug page of the drastic
suggestion,
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168719
Jonathan just went ahead and committed this, despite my worrying about
the UI/UX impact, and how we've not fully mapped out what this affects.
I argued with him about this action, both because I was sidelined
personally in mid-conversation, but also because of what I've mentioned
above: We have a process of UI/UX issues being brought up,
discussed/brainstormed/percolated on when the relevant action is not
completely obvious, then finally decided. It's not perfect, and
sometimes, a design meeting decision can be rushed - but it's much
better than "first alternative to see a patch submitted is chosen".
So, I think it's appropriate to bring this up in a meeting.
Eyal
On 21/10/2025 16:33, Heiko Tietze wrote:
Hello,
the design/UX meeting *next week* is
on: Thursday, October/30, 14:00 CEST/GMT+2 resp. 12pm UTC
at: https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/design
Here is the agenda:
* UX Improve NB Tabbed UI with textboxes
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168930
* There is no 'apply changes' to Chart dialog in librecalc
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164658
* EDITING Spellcheck should work similarly to Thunderbird's
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164390
* Vertical tabs with GTK3: Not enough vertical space between tab headers
+ https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168637
All topics being on the agenda are collected at this list: https://
bugs.documentfoundation.org/buglist.cgi?
cmdtype=dorem&namedcmd=meeting&remaction=run&sharer_id=32942
The meeting *this week* is tomorrow, Wednesday Oct/22. The agenda can be
found at https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/2025/
msg00095.html.
Cheers,
Heiko
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