Aside from my particular responses below, I'd really like to focus this conversation on one question: What are our goals for the landing page? I think once we're all 100% on the same page for that, it'll be much easier to iterate on specifics.

- In 1 second, get an arbitrary internet user emotionally invested in Snowdrift.coop. - "Together, we can uncover this awesome thing that's currently being suppressed."
- Encourage users to proceed deeper into the site
 - At the moment, this is by clicking the one big button on the front.
- Maintain visual consistency with the rest of the site.

Thoughts?

On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 4:01 PM, Aaron Wolf <[email protected]> wrote:


On 10/07/2015 12:29 PM, Stephen Michel wrote:
 In the context of our recent discussion
<https://lists.snowdrift.coop/pipermail/design/2015-September/000096.html>
 about the home page...

 Here's a pretty common thing that happens in communication between a
 user (Bob) and a designer (Alice).

 *Bob's Perspective:* Bob wants to give Alice some feedback about an
email application he uses. Bob keeps hitting the delete button when he
 means to hit the save button. He wants to give good feedback, so he
 brainstorms a bit, and finally tells Alice that he thinks the
 application would be better if the save button were bigger. Alice
 replies, saying she won't make the save button any bigger. Bob is
 frustrated, and argues back with Alice.

*Alice's Perspective:* Bob emailed Alice with a suggestion to make the
 save button bigger. However, if Alice did that, it would break the
aesthetic of the application, and moreover, she's not sure if it would actually solve Bob's problem! Alice is frustrated, because she's arguing
 with Bob, and because Bob has an unsolved issue.

*Analysis:* When Bob sends Alice only a suggestion, Alice is left with
 only two actionable options: implement (bad because Bob's suggestion
introduces new problems) or not (she can also follow up with Bob, but Bob's still attached to his solution and upset it didn't happen). The
 problem is twofold: in his zeal to provide good feedback, Bob is
 actually providing a suggestion -- essentially, doing design work --
rather than feedback. However, he can't be expected to know what would be most helpful without Alice letting him know what kind of feedback is helpful. As it is, Alice is stuck trying to work backwards from Bob's
 suggestion to exactly what his problem is.

 What should really happen, is a discussion between Alice and Bob to
figure out what Bob's issues is (for example, the 'save' and 'delete'
 buttons are too close to each other and have icons that are too
similar). Then Alice has the flexibility to design a solution that fixes
 Bob's problem without introducing new issues.

It's also worth mentioning that if Bob provides only a suggestion, then
 even if Alice follows up with, "I'm not going to implement that
particular suggestion but let's try to figure out a better one," Bob is still left with a sour taste in his mouth because he has a tendency to
 become attached to his solution.

 With that in mind, I'm going to try to give a bunch of feedback such
 that we can have a discussion about what should change, rather than
arguing about whether the scene needs more trees. More indented --> more specific suggestions --> more change-able as long as the higher-level
 stuff doesn't change.

 ---

 *I believe that our landing page should provide a 1-second emotional
explanation of why we care (or, why an arbitrary internet user should
 care) about Snowdrift.coop.*
 /"Together, we can uncover this awesome thing that's currently being
 suppressed."/
- They'll get a longer explanation of why they should care deeper into
 the site, but I think this is important as a hook, to get them to be
 invested immediately and keep them reading.

 *Thoughts on how to achieve this.*
 - I don't think a sense of "path" is important.
 - I think a sense of "barren wasteland" is important to *keep.*
- HOWEVER, I also think there needs to be a sense of "If we cleared away
 this snow, it'd be a vibrant place!" I think this is the sense of
vibrancy that Aaron was missing. Unlike Aaron, I don't think it needs to
 be explicit.
- I think having something like a streak of green on a tree could have
 this effect.
   - I think version 27
<https://raw.githubusercontent.com/mray/Snowdrift-Design/master/mray%20website%20mockups%20/older%20exports/export27/landing.png> is the worst offender in this regard. It feels like if you cleared away
 the snow, you'd still be standing in the middle of a tundra.
- Bonus points if there's a sense of the awesome thing being communal /
 a community.
   - I think the houses in the background in version 1 do this well.
   - I think the latest, version 33
<https://raw.githubusercontent.com/mray/Snowdrift-Design/master/mray%20website%20mockups%20/export33/landing.png>,
 does this better than version 32
<https://raw.githubusercontent.com/mray/Snowdrift-Design/master/mray%20website%20mockups%20/export30/landing.png>,
 because the mountain in the background is a little more prominent.
- I also personally like it because there's less of that blue strip
 next to the path. I really don't like that strip of blue.
- I'm talking about visuals. I think it's supposed to give a sense of a snowbank, but only because I've seen previous iterations. As it is, it just looks like a flat shape on the ground. It barely even gives me a sense of depth. It's really hard for me to look at the picture because
 it's *SO* flat. v33 does help with this, but only a little.

 Cheers,
 Stephen


Thanks for the thoughts, Stephen. While the meta discussion stuff is
sensible, the issue boils down to making sure we communicate productively.

Agreed. I was just sharing my prior experience as to what makes for effective communication.

To the point: I agree that without context from seeing previous
iterations, the strip of blue is just not clear enough what that is,
what's going on. Even with the new version the sense of real deep snow
is lacking. It feels just like there's snow on the ground at all.

Ignoring the issues of destination and trees (because each of these
items is independent), the core issue is that the sense of the thickness
of the snow and the sense of a bank of snow or otherwise just the
immediate visceral clarity of "think snow blocking the road" is lacking in the recent iterations. I agree that lots of subtle things are better
from iterations just before to iteration 33.

What I can say clearly is:
https://snowdrift.coop/static/img/intro/snowdrift.png and the earlier
iterations from Robert feel more clear visually. Like I can flash the
image by someone and they get it instantly: there's a road, it's
blocked-by/covered-in heavy snow. The new illustration merely achieves
"it's snowy, I guess there's a road or something, not sure what that
blue strip is."

Do you feel that deep snow is really important? In my opinion, the important thing is the feeling of "There's snow preventing us from realizing this awesome thing underneath." If that were achievable just by whitewashing everything, with little streaks of color poking out, I'm all for it. If it's achievable by showing a big snowdrift blocking the road as per the image you linked, I think we should do that. I have too much schoolwork at the moment to dedicate time to iterating myself (but maybe I'll be able to squeeze it in here or there), but I'm very interested to see what others come up with.

Now, do I know what the solution is? No. My speculations involve things
like better outlines, better shadows, somewhat longer visible part of
the road… I suspect a harder sense of clear-road up to a point where
BLAM there's heavy snow in the way… that would help. So maybe the point is to show it more partially cleared already — that could mean a little longer cleared road and higher snow banks and snow piles on the side of
the road framing it and indicating some work already accomplished, but
then you can see there's lots more to do.

I'm not strictly tied to any particular suggestion, I'm trying to
describe the inadequacy of the current status, and yes, speculating with
some ideas about what might help.

Robert: is this discussion any more helpful to you than the previous one?

Cheers,
Aaron

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