I'd have to disagree, I think talk pages are where consensus building happens, and while users don't have to discover discussions to be able to participate, i don't see it as a negative thing at all. I think the current talk pages are user hostile (the UI, syntax conventions, etc. not the people [usually]) but I think Flow will help that. In testing (~20 rounds ) a common refrain from users has been "Wikipedia has discussions?!" many were totally unaware and thought discussions were a new feature we were testing with them, not the winter prototype http://unicorn.wmflabs.org/winter/
*Jared Zimmerman * \\ Director of User Experience \\ Wikimedia Foundation M : +1 415 609 4043 | : @JaredZimmerman<https://twitter.com/JaredZimmerman> On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Martijn Hoekstra <[email protected] > wrote: > > On May 23, 2014 1:44 PM, "Jon Robson" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > snip... > > > > > It's hard to measure the impact of the talk bubble when it is > > displayed like this. I'd be interested to do some sort of A/B test > > around it to see whether more people visit the talk page when the > > number is shown - I'm not sure if Growth has any plans to do this. > > I think the following is controversial, but I hope not: talk pages are > anti wiki in nature, and more of a necessary evil if disagreements can't be > solved through collaborative editing than something we should promote the > visibility of. They are a last resort, and I would be perfectly happy if a > newcomer never knew they existed for a long while. > > I would be very reluctant about any change that might cause a newcomer to > edit a talk page and suggest a change (that probably nobody will read, and > if they do probably won't respond to) than just edit the page. > > If any A/B testing is done, any marginal loss of mainspace edits, for any > number of extra talk page views or edits, should imo be counted as a > regression. > > Too rambling; u wot m8? > Before setting up A/B tests, please consider and discuss success > conditions. They nay be unintuitive. > > --Martijn > > > Also I wonder if this is something Flow is thinking about. > > > > Either way can we make a decision and either kill this code, or bring > > it into beta mode? > > > > [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco?mobileaction=alpha > > [2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tofu?mobileaction=alpha > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Design mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design > > _______________________________________________ > Design mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design > >
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