On Friday, September 5, 2014, <[email protected]> wrote: > Send Design mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Design digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Getting $wgUseMediaWikiUIEverywhere = true to be the > default (Tomasz Finc) > 2. Re: Style guides at Lonely Planet (Tomasz Finc) > 3. Re: Getting $wgUseMediaWikiUIEverywhere = true to be the > default (Erik Moeller) > 4. Re: Getting $wgUseMediaWikiUIEverywhere = true to be the > default (Steven Walling) > 5. Re: Getting $wgUseMediaWikiUIEverywhere = true to be the > default (Jared Zimmerman) > 6. Re: Style guides at Lonely Planet (Jared Zimmerman) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 13:55:23 -0700 > From: Tomasz Finc <[email protected]> > To: "A list for the design team." <[email protected]> > Cc: Rachel diCerbo <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Design] Getting $wgUseMediaWikiUIEverywhere = true to be > the default > Message-ID: > < camxhqbcx4gvffthn0vnxrtm0vicb5urfg4yuo_gxjvudhlw...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:24 AM, Jon Robson <[email protected]> wrote: >> 1) Enable MediaWiki UI everywhere >> >> Developers: Add $wgUseMediaWikiUIEverywhere=true into your LocalSettings >> Non-developers: Explore http://mwui.wmflabs.org/wiki/Main_Page or >> http://en.m.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/ (the mobile site already >> enables these to be the default) >> >> 2) Navigate around the site and make a note of interfaces that look wrong. >> Please file bugs against them here [1] >> * Places where buttons are constructive when they should be >> destructive / progress >> * Take screenshots of interfaces that look cluttered/cramped. >> * Identify pages which do not use MediaWiki UI styles at all >> >> 3) Let's fix the bugs >> >> 4) When this is all done, we will need to engage the >> community/communicate this change. We might need to run a beta >> feature. I'm hoping Jared or Steven can oversee this. Alternatively we >> might just want to turn it on if we do not consider it a massive >> change. > > Is there a good forum for us to engage and recommend how community > members can get involved with at Step #1 ? That feels like it would > give us the sense of scale and community participation from the > beginning. > > CC'ing Rachel to see what she thinks > > --tomasz > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 14:02:43 -0700 > From: Tomasz Finc <[email protected]> > To: "A list for the design team." <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Design] Style guides at Lonely Planet > Message-ID: > <CAMxhqbfHe2Sn= [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Very interesting read and I've been watching a good chunk of the videos from > > https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFdA1LIvjYDLrqeHiZphNWA > > Jared, where is our style guide at this point? I last checked in on it > around Wikimania. > > Also, have you had a chance to watch > > Ian Feather: Reducing Complexity With a Component API ? > > --tomasz > > On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Jon Robson <[email protected]> wrote: >> Relevant to our interests... >> http://engineering.lonelyplanet.com/2014/05/18/a-maintainable-styleguide.html >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Design mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 14:08:22 -0700 > From: Erik Moeller <[email protected]> > To: "A list for the design team." <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Design] Getting $wgUseMediaWikiUIEverywhere = true to be > the default > Message-ID: > < caeg6zhkb75orp0dukl10e-pvzy8pwciwauyaveehzj-bfqk...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thanks, Jon, for continuing to keep the pressure on. > > The appearance/size change for e.g. checkboxes is very noticeable, and > right now it's inconsistent with other controls that are nearby, like > radiobuttons and dropdowns. The first thing is to actually finish the style > guide and consistently apply it. > http://tools.wmflabs.org/styleguide/desktop/index.html is very incomplete > right now, when can we expect an updated version, or is there another one I > should be looking at? > > Thanks, > Erik > > -- > Erik Möller > VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/design/attachments/20140905/ddadd5ce/attachment-0001.html > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 14:50:52 -0700 > From: Steven Walling <[email protected]> > To: "A list for the design team." <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Design] Getting $wgUseMediaWikiUIEverywhere = true to be > the default > Message-ID: > < camryomuab14qabrfxko4fcfp94wtgaezk+kyrr3wdhpr99t...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Erik Moeller <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The appearance/size change for e.g. checkboxes is very noticeable, and >> right now it's inconsistent with other controls that are nearby, like >> radiobuttons and dropdowns. The first thing is to actually finish the style >> guide and consistently apply it. >> http://tools.wmflabs.org/styleguide/desktop/index.html is very incomplete >> right now, when can we expect an updated version, or is there another one I >> should be looking at? >> > > This is a situation that's partially a consequence of how we've decided to > generate the living style guide. It only reflects what is in the codebase > now really, so it doesn't (and really can't) contain style guidelines for > future iterations on other controls. > > The best place to see proposed designs is the Trello board for mediawiki.ui > (https://trello.com/b/EXtVTJxJ). When things are finalized enough on the UX > side to more seriously request Jared is pushing them to Bugzilla. > > > -- > Steven Walling, > Product Manager > https://wikimediafoundation.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/design/attachments/20140905/005e42d2/attachment-0001.html > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 14:53:28 -0700 > From: Jared Zimmerman <[email protected]> > To: "A list for the design team." <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Design] Getting $wgUseMediaWikiUIEverywhere = true to be > the default > Message-ID: > < ca+sx9u99tkon_trkgdxktep7qn+byymp9fvagjgp9lxjv0z...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thanks Steven thats correct. The greatest strength and weakness of the LSG > is the same things, we'll know when you can use something in production and > when it breaks, but we can't show it "live" until its in core. > > > > *Jared Zimmerman * \\ Director of User Experience \\ Wikimedia Foundation > > M +1 415 609 4043 \\ @jaredzimmerman <http://loo.ms/g0> > > > > On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Steven Walling <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Erik Moeller <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> The appearance/size change for e.g. checkboxes is very noticeable, and >>> right now it's inconsistent with other controls that are nearby, like >>> radiobuttons and dropdowns. The first thing is to actually finish the style >>> guide and consistently apply it. >>> http://tools.wmflabs.org/styleguide/desktop/index.html is very >>> incomplete right now, when can we expect an updated version, or is there >>> another one I should be looking at? >>> >> >> This is a situation that's partially a consequence of how we've decided to >> generate the living style guide. It only reflects what is in the codebase >> now really, so it doesn't (and really can't) contain style guidelines for >> future iterations on other controls. >> >> The best place to see proposed designs is the Trello board for >> mediawiki.ui (https://trello.com/b/EXtVTJxJ). When things are finalized >> enough on the UX side to more seriously request Jared is pushing them to >> Bugzilla. >> >> >> -- >> Steven Walling, >> Product Manager >> https://wikimediafoundation.org/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Design mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/design/attachments/20140905/d955caa2/attachment-0001.html > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 14:56:04 -0700 > From: Jared Zimmerman <[email protected]> > To: Tomasz Finc <[email protected]> > Cc: "A list for the design team." <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Design] Style guides at Lonely Planet > Message-ID: > < ca+sx9u_-+gmu9r--fqamfe0+65rmzl9i70jhmvq0wdcrzeo...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Style guide is coming along, with the caveat from the other concurrent > thread that things can't get added to the style guide until they are in > core, which is still a blocker for many things currently > > > current state can be seen here > http://tools.wmflabs.org/styleguide/desktop/index.html > > > > *Jared Zimmerman * \\ Director of User Experience \\ Wikimedia Foundation > > M +1 415 609 4043 \\ @jaredzimmerman <http://loo.ms/g0> > > > > On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Tomasz Finc <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Very interesting read and I've been watching a good chunk of the videos >> from >> >> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFdA1LIvjYDLrqeHiZphNWA >> >> Jared, where is our style guide at this point? I last checked in on it >> around Wikimania. >> >> Also, have you had a chance to watch >> >> Ian Feather: Reducing Complexity With a Component API ? >> >> --tomasz >> >> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Jon Robson <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Relevant to our interests... >> > >> http://engineering.lonelyplanet.com/2014/05/18/a-maintainable-styleguide.html >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Design mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/design/attachments/20140905/f21ff7ce/attachment.html > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Design mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design > > > End of Design Digest, Vol 30, Issue 5 > ************************************* >
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