As per last week, we will be summarizing some of the more lengthy threads separately. New Design Discussions: -> Priscilla forwarded a first draft of the Scooby 0.3 spec. Mimi responded with some detailed feedback + Bobby responded with some questions about the flowchart in the spec + He pointed out that we can't have a web app pre-populate the body of an email message + Grant responded that this was possible - with an example -> Jared started a new thread to comment on the ability to have email submission to collections. Jared outlined some assumptions and discussed how this might work. He also listed a bunch of design questions around requirements for the recipient addresses which Mimi and others commented on. BCM pointed out a couple of security concerns if we started to grant access for particular sender emails to be able to add events to the calendar. Someone could pretend they are [EMAIL PROTECTED]. This thread will be summarized in detail as part of the email discussion wrap up. -> Pieter posted asking if there was a way in Chandler we could identify if you are running the PPC or the Intel Mac build. We considered the splash screen, about Chandler dialog, readme. Bear updated the About Chandler dialog to display a platform string under the version number -> Mimi started yet another thread on email addresses and SPAM. She explained that she has had a number of email addresses for different periods of time and some get a lot of SPAM and others none. The ones that seem to get all the SPAM are those that have been given out to web-services and online retailers. She is wondering if the email addresses we use for shared collections can escape the SPAM in the same way that some of her personal ones do. She also asked to hear other users experiences with SPAM. + Oren Sreebny replied that at UW as of last month 65% of the incoming messages were found to have a >50% chance of being spam. They are processing more than 15 spam messages per second. + Terry Gray reported that one of his personal accounts that has never been shown on any public place (to his knowledge), gets a ton of spam. + Morgen reported that he requires 3 levels of filtering to control the spam messages on his personal mail server. After this he ends up with 10 a day. + Bear also uses several levels of filtering + Other reports: Ted, Grant...spam is still a big problem. + Vinu responded with some info on Spamassasin and how it could be configured in the server and client side. -> Travis posted that he would be starting a new thread on Chandler thunderbird extension (Was: Bridging the gap - email options) and posting to the dev list for a more technical discussion. Continued Design Discussions: -> Ernesto replied to the thread "Graphically editing contact's multi-value fields" explaining that our usage scenario is to support vCard like contacts to import/export from .vcf files. We are going to use a big text blog in the short-term for proof of concept and workout in detail what fits into the plan for beta. -> Discussions continued around the sidebar focus issue "Delete deleted event when I expected it to delete collection". Mimi forwarded some of Heikki's comments in the bug https://bugzilla.osafoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6134 to the list. Some highlights + Heikki said that Thunderbird and iCal switch focus to the sidebar + Mimi pointed out that Apple Mail doesn't. + Heikki found an inconsistency where we switch focus differently if you are in the detail view or the calendar view and click the sidebar. + Mimi explained there are 3 use cases for switching focus to the sidebar. 1. Deleting a collection from the sidebar 2. Using your keyboard to navigate up and down collections 3. Renaming a collection (which you can do in today's paradigm with a d-click) + The mini calendar never gets focus because you can't delete anything. + Focus shifts when you click a menu item. + Heikki responded that there are some inconsistencies for what happens when you click the sidebar depending on where your focus is ie: detail view, calendar view etc. We need to log these as bugs. -> Bryan Stearns replied to the thread on Alpha 4 Detail View work - consolidated. + Noticed the label field is not in Alpha4. + Asked if we still wanted the appears in field. + The pop up fields for viewing text when it exceeds the space conflicts with the auto-completion + Storing gobbledygook in the date/time fields could be very hard. + Mimi replied that none of these items are for Alpha4. -> There were further discussions around the "minimal email feature set needed for an early release of Chandler". As mentioned last week a full summary of the thread is on it's way. -> There was also further discussion around the "anonymous access to read-write tickets in Scooby". Once again, a full summary is pending. -> There was further discussion on "bridging the gap" for email. This thread will be summarized in detail separately. -> Jeffrey replied to the post about Reconciling sharing privileges with the Edit / Update workflow. Mimi asked - Is it possible to grant users edit privileges on items where they are specifically called out in the Addressing fields? Jeffrey replied that yes this was possible but each notification would have to be individualized to include the specific ticket. It might be slower and we and the semantic information about who was notified wouldn't appear in the normal place (the address fields). -> Sheila weighed in on the "multiple windows support" thread, that it was a nice to have for beta but if it's as much work as discussed so far, there are other higher priorities. Since I sent this, I have had a slight change of heart. I think we should do a bit more investigation to determine the development costs or other alternatives. -> Discussion continued around the delete key behavior. We are proposing having this behave like a remove unless you are the last item in a particular collection. Pieter suggested we compare this the Gmail behavior where items get archived. He likes the way they have 2 processes Archive and Delete/Trash. Jeffrey commented that in Chandler - Done = Archive and Trash = Trash. -> Ernesto sent out an update on the first Contacts 0.1 milestone. Other Stuff: -> Mimi sent out the notes from the design session on Tues July 18th. -> Mimi sent out an inventory of all the open design issues on the list and the next actions.http://lists.osafoundation.org/pipermail/design/2006-July/005074.html -> Sheila sent out an email clarifying that Ted will take on the PM role for the contacts project. -> Bear sent out a link to a neat blog post for someone overlaying flight itineraries onto the same map or calendar. -> Reid posted a link of what search field affordances are available for the Mac. There is still some question about what is available with wx. -> Pieter sent a post with a link with a demo for Accomplice - interesting app in our space. |
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