Hi Mimi
I figured this was probably a result of deleting a collection not
being the most common workflow.
A menu item in the collection menu would definitely have helped, I
forgot that I had actually checked there as well before going to IRC.
I think that the truth of the matter is that the current "keyboard
shortcut delete" behavior is desirable, for the reasons you mention,
and this won't be nearly as confusing once context menus/ drag and
drop are implemented.
Thanks!
Travis
On Feb 7, 2007, at 2:41 PM, Mimi Yin wrote:
Hi Travis,
There has been a lot of discussion around this issue. I will
quickly recap here. Our assumptions are:
+ Deleting collections is rare.
+ Wanting keyboard focus in the sidebar is rather rare.
+ What IS common is switching collections and then scrolling
between items in the summary pane with the arrow keys. Apps that
switch focus to the sidebar every time you click in the sidebar to
switch collections regularly confound users trying to do this last
workflow, because you end up switching collections with the arrow
keys rather than scrolling through items in the summary pane.
See list thread from January 2006: http://lists.osafoundation.org/
pipermail/design/2006-January/003789.html
However rare, doesn't mean that deleting collections should be
impossible to discover. You're certainly right that having a
context menu that includes Delete is necessary to help users figure
out how do this. All of the context menus haven't been implemented
yet. I've logged sidebar collection context menus as it's own bug:
https://bugzilla.osafoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8040
What version of Chandler are you using? In Alpha5, there will be a
menu item under the Collection menu for deleting collections as well.
John, how hard would it be to drag collections to the Trash?
Mimi
On Feb 7, 2007, at 12:21 PM, Travis Vachon wrote:
Hi folks
I was confused by the Chandler ui during our QA session today, and
Sheila and Aparna recommended I post here.
As part of the QA session I rearranged my calendars a little. My
last step was to delete an old collection "Personal" that I didn't
want any more.
I started out looking at another collection "Work".
The first thing I tried to do was to get a context menu by right
clicking, where I expected I would find a delete option.
The next thing I tried to do was drag "Personal" to "Trash".
Next I tried to select "Personal" in the sidebar and hit my
"delete" key. When I selected "Personal", the central pane changed
to a list of the events in "Personal", with one of the events
selected. When I hit "delete", it deleted one of the events.
Similar things happened with cmd-d and the "delete" item in the
edit menu.
Finally (after getting on IRC ;-) ), I tried clicking on
"Personal" in the sidebar a second time (while I was already
looking at "Personal"). This turned the highlight on "Personal"
from a light blue to an intense blue, and when I hit "Delete", it
prompted me with the collection deletion dialog, from which I
could delete my collection.
All this may be by design, and it may have changed for preview,
but it sounds like it's helpful for you folks to get these kinds
of "UI narratives".
Thanks!
-Travis
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