Comments Below! On Sun, 2005-02-13 at 12:57 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: ><quote who="Jeff Waugh"> >> Minor comment, I don't necessarily disagree: We are going to get flamed >> for this change. Particularly since there's no way to customize the menus >> (and I don't mean "menu editing", more like toolbar/menu editors in office >> apps). > >I don't think removing the 'Run Application...' item is freeze break worthy. >If it were important enough, it could have been dealt with months ago. This >is a micro-incremental change, mostly to satisfy our rarefied sensibilities, >not give real value to our users. I mean *real* value. We're taking away one >lonely menu item, which perhaps looks ugly, which in turn, takes away one >function our users have had since before GNOME even had pubic hair. > >In all honesty, I'm not opposed to seeing this go. But why frig around with >a dying model at all, let alone after freeze? Let's keep the feature, call >it a wart, and leave it alone until we fix the model. It's doing no harm. We >have stuff in GNOME that punches users in the face daily - let's fix a few >of those!
Originally I worked with the new menu design when I saw it coming into upstream because I thought we could get some nice improvements. I did a lot of bug organizing for it and spent some time getting a tracker and trying to get some sanity into the menu situation according to bugzilla. After it was put into CVS I didn't check up on it too much because I had other things to do and having "the perfect menu" isn't that important. Within the past couple weeks Fedora has fully caught up with upstream versions and I had a look at what was done. I filed a bug against the menu because I had expressed a dislike for the Run Applications before but there was a miscommunication, Vincent was nice enough to get a patch in quickly to fix this. So removing this isn't a major deal, I think I expressed this in my request. I did try to get it removed months ago and it didn't happen, whatever. However it is ugly. Really ugly. It's not just a wart, but a wart on the tip of our nose the size of our eye. And it's not as though I'm asking that all hands attend to this situation either. A patch already exists for this fix. So what if we are flamed for removing this? If it's the right thing to do, isn't that worth getting flamed for? ;-) Even if the 'Run Applications' has been around since the beginning of GNOME, that doesn't mean it's a good thing. If we keep with that mentality we'll never be able to make any progress, we wouldn't have been able to remove the old menu. This is a trivial thing. It's one menu item. It happens to take it's place somewhere I think most people agree it shouldn't. What I'm asking is will it hurt translation, docs, and other teams enough that this isn't worth slipping in late. Also, I don't want to think of all the children who will cry when they see the Run Applications item in the top level menu. Do you want to make those children cry? Do you? Nope, ~ Bryan _______________________________________________ desktop-devel-list mailing list [email protected] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
