On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 17:49 -0400, Morten Welinder wrote:

> the problem with gtk+/cairo in a stable setting is that it has only
> seen testing and been designed for "hello world".  You need to consider
> something bigger!

Thanks for telling me how I designed the gtk+/cairo integration,
I had no idea.

> Try putting 600-1000 pango layouts on the screen at once.  GTK+ 2.6 is
> already not very snappy with that.  Then make sure your X server is
> not local so you get to suffer the roundtrips also.  I would like to
> hear from you that this has been considered and perhaps even tested.
> We still have not gotten anywhere near the screen update speed we had
> in the 1.2 days.

Rendering speed is 90% an X server issue. 

For non-local servers without Render, Cairo will allow us to eliminate
the round-trips... a huge win.

> Wearing my application developer hat, I would say that using GTK+ 2.8
> for the next Gnome is crazy.  It isn't right to enlist the unsuspecting
> users as guinea pigs just because you are having trouble getting people
> to test.  The Cairo integration was done prematurely and now we suffer.

We love you too, Morten.

Best regards,
                                                Owen

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