On 06/02/2011 14:27, Allan Day wrote: > Hi, > > Maciej Piechotka wrote: >> <FLAME>Then show <del>your<del><ins>design team</ins> work! All I'm >> hearing is that research have been done and the issue have been taken >> into consideration during disussion but I DON'T have any references. I >> cannot see logs of IRC (at least google is not showing them), blogs does >> not disclose why the decision was made in such way exactly and why the >> broken workflows are bad. All I'm hearing is that I'm uninformed. >> >> The decision presented on blog is presented as final final - not as a >> strong proposal (even if technically it is the same there are slight >> differences in PR). I'm not specialist in UI design - but I cannot even >> get response to information why my workflow is bad and how did you >> invision it (say - large backups during night).</FLAME> > > Even if you had records of every discussion, you wouldn't get the information > you're looking for. Design decisions don't get made committee meeting style, > and design involves a lot of specialist background knowledge which doesn't > get explicitly referenced. Fact is, we'll probably never be able to give 100% > of the rationale behind design decisions. >
I'm sorry. I had impression that you (as 'defenders') are referring to some specific studies. >> Basically - it seems that many people have feeling that their needs are >> being ignored in name of Average Joe and they are asked to leave. > > And I've repeatedly stated that that isn't the case (and it really > isn't). As I said - that is the feeling. I'm not saying that designers don't care but the designers feel you don't care. > There are a whole bunch of things in the GNOME 3 designs which > are specifically intended for 'advanced' users: > > * Keyboard-only application launching and switching Technically present in GNOME 2 I believe (at least launching). > * Fancy workspaces stuff While present state is suboptimal I agree that the direction seems more then promising. I'm looking forward to it. > * Shell extensions > * We designed a GNOME tweak utility [2] nearly a year ago > Which I cannot find outside mockup in the link. There is Ubuntu tweak but I guess it won't work on non-Ubuntu. >> PS. To sum up - I think that community thin.ks that decision are made >> with practically closed doors (not everybody can even observe the >> discussion due to time constraints) and > > The only reason it appears that it's happened in the dark is because > nobody's been looking. This design could have be seen on the wiki or > design repository months ago. > Yes. I've started thread to seek the ways to have easier ways to look. I think that posting minutes proposal would be a good way as users could spent 5 minutes a week to follow relevant for them changes) and I don't think that developers would be overwhelmed by it. SIDE NOTE: The log/minutes would have an additional benefit - it happened to me that some person stated that I've agree to do something but I couldn't recall the event and I am sure I haven't agree to do this. From logs I had in my empathy I couldn't find such event. Logging/minutes may have additional benefits for developers (as I might have agreed to do this but I've just forgot). Regards _______________________________________________ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list