Hi Michael, Thanks for all of this. Let me reiterate that I *really* want to see Deja Dup in 3.2. We just need to figure out how to make it work.
Michael Terry wrote: > On 12 May 2011 17:05, Allan Day <[email protected]> wrote: > > I presume you'd be happy for Deja Dup to become a GNOME Control Center > > panel? > > Depends on what you mean. I'm happy for Deja Dup to be shown as a > panel in the control center. But it sounds like you're asking about > actually putting it in the control center git tree? I guess I don't > see the point. > > * I'd like to continue to support GTK-but-not-GNOME platforms (why > not?) even if only as second-class citizens. So I'll probably add a > preference dialog that simply wraps the deja-dup control panel for > such cases. Having the panel be out-of-trunk makes that unnecessarily > hard. It makes it harder, I guess. Whether it is unnecessary depends on your point of view. ;) > * I assume the rest of deja-dup would be a separate module, so now it > would be split across modules, losing the ability to share > translations or logic. I'd have to write a library to share some of > the logic bits. So that would be more work. > > * The only reason to be in tree that I can see is that g-c-c plans to > drop the API for panels? But that is a separate thread. And what a thread it is... > > If Deja Dup is accepted, we'll need to work together and GNOME > > contributors (developers, designers, bug reporters and triagers, > > translators, documentors, etc) will want to contribute to Deja Dup. How > > will they do that? > > My intent is to achieve high levels of collaboration. Great to hear! GNOME has a lot to offer; we could achieve great things together! > I have lots of > ideas about how the GNOME community and LP projects can have tighter > integration. I can defend why LP works for me, but that's not > entirely the point here I feel. > > It could be so easy to collaborate! We could mirror bzr trunk in git, > grant permissions to bzr trunk to an automatically sync'd group on LP, > grant permissions to the translation web UI+trunk to the GNOME > translation team. > > I could move my mailing list. I like to think the > project already works well with GNOME designers (you and I have done a > review before). Etc. Moving the mailing list would be helpful for design collaboration, I think. I'm kinda happy to follow your current LP list, but other designers might not be. > So the big question to GNOME is how much do ya'll want to avoid the > extra step of such collaboration for Features you consider part of > your core? Is that a hard-blocker? Who gets to decide if it is? > > I'm theoretically open to moving infrastructure, pending a weighing of > benefits. But I'm also curious if GNOME is even theoretically open to > me not moving. It's the release team who decide in the final instance. (So see Fred and Olav's messages. :) ) My personal view is that we should be flexible, provided that we can find a way to effectively work together. Would you be willing to use GNOME Bugzilla? > > See my other message on the branding question - this isn't necessarily a > > problem. I'm just interested to hear your thoughts on how Deja Dup will > > be branding itself as a standalone application. > > I had envisioned the same way as a non-standalone app. It would > appear as "Backup" to the user. Either as a standalone preference > dialog or control center panel. But I've been thinking it needs to > show its brand name at least once (I currently show it in the welcome > screen). That way users know what they are getting. > > Now if your question is really about what that brand is ("GNOME > Backup" vs "Deja Dup") that's a different issue that I'm just now > guessing you meant? > > I don't feel strongly on the name presented to users. I'm open to > feedback here. It could maybe even be presented differently if > deja-dup is a standalone app vs a panel? Thanks, that's really useful. This is somewhat new territory for GNOME, so it's nice to know we have the flexibility to work things out. Allan -- Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org _______________________________________________ desktop-devel-list mailing list [email protected] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
