On Wed, 18.05.11 12:16, Brian Cameron ([email protected]) wrote: > In my discussions with people at Oracle, there is some concern about > how interfaces like systemd are being managed. Interface management is > something that Sun (and now Oracle) obsesses about, as many of you who > have heard about our "ARC" process know. Many people at Oracle ask me > questions about what is going on, but I myself have trouble following > the evolution from HAL to systemd or how exactly this impacts GNOME on > non-Linux systems. I am still digesting the fact that ConsoleKit is > going away. Is there a clear big picture, timeline, or roadmap yet?
My and Kay's plans regarding systemd have been circulated and discussed widely. http://lwn.net/Articles/441328/#Comments I think our approach here is as transparent as it can get. > I know that people in the GNOME community understand how important good > documentation is, but there is probably more that could be done to get > the systemd message out there in an inviting manner, especially if > there is a serious interest to get wider, especially non-Linux, > involvement. Hey, pick something else to criticize us with, than documentation. I think systemd is much better there than the majority of open source projects, and we have been blogging about its features regularly. http://0pointer.de/public/systemd-man/ http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd-for-admins-1.html http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-new-configuration-files These docs even have been translated to other languages, and there's a substantial body of other localized documentation available: http://wiki.opennet.ru/Systemd_%D0%B4%D0%BB%D1%8F_%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2 https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/752a690f-8e93-4948-b7a3-c060117e8665/entry/systemd_parte_1 > At the very least, I hope we can design a desktop so that if systemd is > not present this just disables those parts of the desktop that require > it. Not having systemd may disable support for things like removeable > media, power management, etc. There should not be a reason why not > having systemd should prevent GNOME from being used at all. Yes, this is pretty much in line with what I suggested with the time/locale/hostname mechanisms, and the g-s interfacing. It's basically what Solaris has been doing with PulseAudio as well. > The only thing HAL is currently used for in Solaris is removeable > media (e.g. USB) support. Sun Ray client devices do have USB jacks, so > it would be neat to have better removeable media support for them. > Sadly, HAL on Solaris today only supports the desktop on the console, > so there really is not any removeable media support in GNOME for Sun > Ray users. We need to rework all this code anyway. Perhaps it makes > sense to solve this problem together via systemd? systemd does not really cover that. That's mostly done in gio now, with a bit of udisks thrown in, both sitting on top of libudev. Lennart -- Lennart Poettering - Red Hat, Inc. _______________________________________________ desktop-devel-list mailing list [email protected] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
