Thanks Britt for starting this discussion, and thanks to Carmen for the useful summary. I don't agree with every point raised, but there are a lot of valid ones.
I'll provide some brief comments from a design perspective. Obviously there are a lot of issues here: individual discussions should probably happen elsewhere. Carmen Bianca Bakker <[email protected]> wrote: ... > 1. The desktop does nothing. There is no functionality other than on > the top bar. ... This is a long-known issue that was discussed around the time of the original GNOME 3 designs, and is currently being discussed again by the design team [1]. It's a tricky issue that's the result of some of the core GNOME 3 design choices. ... > 2b. No battery percentage on status bar. I'd be interested in showing the percentage when the status menu is open [2], but having an option to permanently show it seems fine too [3]. > 2c. No app indicators. Yes, I think we need to return to that discussion. > 2d. No suspend button. I agree we can improve this, and I did some design work for it a little while ago [4]. > 3a. It is difficult to reach the app drawer. I've explored this previously; it's a bit tricky and depends on some other more fundamental questions (do we have dock, what do we show in the top bar, etc). > 3b. Application names are cut off. This is a long-standing issue which I believe has a design agreed. We just need to land the MR [5]. > 3c. Folders in the app drawer aren't customisable. We've been wanting to have Endless's drag and drop app folders upstreamed for some time now: we're just waiting for it to happen. > 4. Unnecessary notifications (e.g., "Application is ready") Indeed, my feeling is that those notifications do more harm than good. I can't see an issue for this; does anyone know of one? ... > 5b. Icons in Nautilus are confusing. That doesn't look like GNOME's icon theme - it would be clearer if it was. My understanding is that the lack of tooltips is a technical limitation of popover menus. On a related topic: the design team is currently evaluating these buttons in menus, and are waiting on the menus to be updated in order to do some usability testing [6]. > 5d. The file picker isn't very good. I did a review of our file picker a little while ago [7] and it generally looked OK to me. The main issue seems to be the lack of icon view, which I agree would be good to have, and have included in my latest experimental mockups. ... > 8b. Difficult to set custom wallpaper. The latest designs [8] have a button to select a file. However, I think we'd like to revisit these designs before anything gets implemented, and they've been stuck in our design backlog for a little while. A concluding remark: quite a few of these issues relate to the shell, and on the design side we've wanted to make improvements in that area for a long time, but have been held back due to a lack of developer resources. It would be amazing if we had more developers working in that area, to help us resolve these prominent issues. Allan -- [1] https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/1216 [2] https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/1241 [3] https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/issues/481 [4] https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/270 [5] https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/merge_requests/109 [6] https://discourse.gnome.org/t/gtk-support-for-gnome-design-patterns/551/20?u=allanday [7] https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/OS/FileSelection#Tentative_Design [8] https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings/Background#Tentative_Design _______________________________________________ desktop-devel-list mailing list [email protected] https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list
