** Also affects: apturl (Ubuntu)
Importance: Undecided
Status: New
** Description changed:
- Binary package hint: apturl
+ Binary package hint: apturl, software center
+
+ Update:
+ Please note that this report has a much wider scope than just APTURL not
preventing system destruction.
+ I used to claim that Windows' installer is a black box hiding from the user
what it's stuffing into the system.
+ You may well install a whole database system bundle unnoticed just to use a
small program.
+ And you may well install it in English when you would have liked it in French.
+ On the opposite, Ubuntu is telling you package by package, file by file, with
exact byte size what it is installing.
+ It is showing you what's going on
+
+ And now I must tell them that Ubuntu, in a constant strive to resemble
Windows, has become just as bad.
+ They even removed Synaptics.
+
+ ---EOU ---
This happened on Ubuntu 10.04 upgraded from 8.10 and with latest updates
applied.
- 1. What you expected to happen
+ 1. What you expected to happen
The same as what happened, but without the inconvenience
- 2. What actually happened
+ 2. What actually happened
In order to help Belgian people paying their income taxes, I reviewed,
modified and tested
http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/tutoriel/utiliser_carte_identite_electronique_belge
In the process, I uninstalled all the Belgian middleware *beid* as well as
*pcsc* software.
(Not pcsclite1 because network-manager depends on it)
Then I clicked the following link on that page
apt://pcscd,libpcsclite-dev,beidgui
And this is what happened, taken from the APT logs.
APTURL did not display what it was doing, even less ask the permission to do
it:
Start-Date: 2010-10-17 05:06:49
Install: pcscd (1.5.3-1ubuntu4)
Remove: libacr38ucontrol0 (1.7.10-1), network-manager (0.8-0ubuntu3),
libgnokii5 (0.6.28.dfsg-1ubuntu0.1), ubuntu-desktop (1.197),
network-manager-gnome (0.8-0ubuntu3), libpcsclite1 (1.5.3-1ubuntu4.1),
gnome-phone-manager (0.65-1ubuntu2), libacr38u (1.7.10-1), wpasupplicant
(0.6.9-3ubuntu3)
End-Date: 2010-10-17 05:07:56
Start-Date: 2010-10-17 07:05:14
Remove: pcscd (1.5.3-1ubuntu4)
End-Date: 2010-10-17 07:05:32
Start-Date: 2010-10-17 07:34:37
Remove: network-manager (0.8-0ubuntu3), network-manager-gnome (0.8-0ubuntu3),
libpcsclite1 (1.5.3-1ubuntu4.1), wpasupplicant (0.6.9-3ubuntu3)
End-Date: 2010-10-17 07:35:16
The system must never uninstall the network-manager nor anything without
asking the permission.
- 3. The minimal series of steps necessary to make it happen, where
+ 3. The minimal series of steps necessary to make it happen, where
step 1 is "start the program"
1: "start the program"
2: all of the above
Conclusions:
1 it's an extremely bad idea to make an installer (APTURL) behave silently
and blindly.
No detail of what is being done, no permission and even no indication that
the operation is complete.
I have seen that the Ubuntu Software Center operates the same silent, blind
and dangerous way too.
2 it looks like it's a bad idea to have each packet of the same aptline
installed separately
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https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/793318
Title:
Should confirm package conflicts from the user as apturl can silently
uninstall vital packages like network-manager
Status in “apturl” package in Ubuntu:
New
Status in “software-center” package in Ubuntu:
New
Bug description:
Binary package hint: apturl, software center
Update:
Please note that this report has a much wider scope than just APTURL not
preventing system destruction.
I used to claim that Windows' installer is a black box hiding from the user
what it's stuffing into the system.
You may well install a whole database system bundle unnoticed just to use a
small program.
And you may well install it in English when you would have liked it in French.
On the opposite, Ubuntu is telling you package by package, file by file, with
exact byte size what it is installing.
It is showing you what's going on
And now I must tell them that Ubuntu, in a constant strive to resemble
Windows, has become just as bad.
They even removed Synaptics.
---EOU ---
This happened on Ubuntu 10.04 upgraded from 8.10 and with latest
updates applied.
1. What you expected to happen
The same as what happened, but without the inconvenience
2. What actually happened
In order to help Belgian people paying their income taxes, I reviewed,
modified and tested
http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/tutoriel/utiliser_carte_identite_electronique_belge
In the process, I uninstalled all the Belgian middleware *beid* as well as
*pcsc* software.
(Not pcsclite1 because network-manager depends on it)
Then I clicked the following link on that page
apt://pcscd,libpcsclite-dev,beidgui
And this is what happened, taken from the APT logs.
APTURL did not display what it was doing, even less ask the permission to do
it:
Start-Date: 2010-10-17 05:06:49
Install: pcscd (1.5.3-1ubuntu4)
Remove: libacr38ucontrol0 (1.7.10-1), network-manager (0.8-0ubuntu3),
libgnokii5 (0.6.28.dfsg-1ubuntu0.1), ubuntu-desktop (1.197),
network-manager-gnome (0.8-0ubuntu3), libpcsclite1 (1.5.3-1ubuntu4.1),
gnome-phone-manager (0.65-1ubuntu2), libacr38u (1.7.10-1), wpasupplicant
(0.6.9-3ubuntu3)
End-Date: 2010-10-17 05:07:56
Start-Date: 2010-10-17 07:05:14
Remove: pcscd (1.5.3-1ubuntu4)
End-Date: 2010-10-17 07:05:32
Start-Date: 2010-10-17 07:34:37
Remove: network-manager (0.8-0ubuntu3), network-manager-gnome (0.8-0ubuntu3),
libpcsclite1 (1.5.3-1ubuntu4.1), wpasupplicant (0.6.9-3ubuntu3)
End-Date: 2010-10-17 07:35:16
The system must never uninstall the network-manager nor anything
without asking the permission.
3. The minimal series of steps necessary to make it happen, where
step 1 is "start the program"
1: "start the program"
2: all of the above
Conclusions:
1 it's an extremely bad idea to make an installer (APTURL) behave silently
and blindly.
No detail of what is being done, no permission and even no indication that
the operation is complete.
I have seen that the Ubuntu Software Center operates the same silent, blind
and dangerous way too.
2 it looks like it's a bad idea to have each packet of the same
aptline installed separately
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