** Description changed: This has been discussed looong ago here - https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=305277 and consensus seemed + https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=305277 and consensus seemes to have been reached to what is obvious: that the direction of the triangle icons indicating ascending/descending ordering in lists is reversed, i.e. wrong. I don't know exactly what relation there is between gnome and unity, but I'm astonished to see that the issue is also present in Unity two years later (two years since the first comment; the bug report indeed dates back to 2005!!). The small end of the triangle (i.e. its tip) should correspond to the side where things are small (i.e. small numbers, strings beginning with 'a', etc), and the big end of the triangle (i.e. its base) should correspond to the side where things are big (big numbers, strings beginning with 'z',...). So a triangle with the tip on the top should mean "ascending downwards", and a triangle with the tip on the bottom and the base on the top should mean "descending downwards". This is the prevailing convention EVERYWHERE except in Ubuntu, and it is also the only one that makes sense. The only possible ambiguity (or questionability) is with dates, because an earlier date can be regarded as "smaller" than a more recent date but also as a "bigger" time ago. Apparently, the (wrong) rationale behind the reverse directioning is that the triangles are mistakenly seen as "arrows" indicating in which physical direction the values are increasing. Hence a "down arrow" (triangle with the tip at the bottom) would mean "the values increase downwards". Note however that this reasoning is fundamentally flawed in that it requires an already implicit "increasing" ordering: if the arrow points "downwards" you have to read "downwards is increasing", if it points upwards you have to read "upwards is increasing". ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 11.10 Package: unity 4.24.0-0ubuntu2b1 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.0.0-13.22-generic 3.0.6 Uname: Linux 3.0.0-13-generic i686 NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia .proc.driver.nvidia.gpus.0: Error: [Errno 21] Is a directory: '/proc/driver/nvidia/gpus/0' .proc.driver.nvidia.registry: Binary: "" .proc.driver.nvidia.version: - NVRM version: NVIDIA UNIX x86 Kernel Module 280.13 Wed Jul 27 16:55:43 PDT 2011 - GCC version: gcc version 4.6.1 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.6.1-9ubuntu3) + NVRM version: NVIDIA UNIX x86 Kernel Module 280.13 Wed Jul 27 16:55:43 PDT 2011 + GCC version: gcc version 4.6.1 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.6.1-9ubuntu3) .tmp.unity.support.test.0: - + ApportVersion: 1.23-0ubuntu4 Architecture: i386 CompizPlugins: [core,bailer,detection,composite,opengl,decor,vpswitch,mousepoll,compiztoolbox,snap,place,resize,session,regex,grid,wall,move,gnomecompat,imgpng,animation,fade,unitymtgrabhandles,workarounds,scale,expo,ezoom,unityshell] CompositorRunning: compiz Date: Thu Dec 8 14:46:31 2011 DistUpgraded: Log time: 2011-12-07 19:34:40.350850 DistroCodename: oneiric DistroVariant: ubuntu GraphicsCard: - nVidia Corporation G84 [GeForce 9500M GS] [10de:0405] (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) - Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:15d2] + nVidia Corporation G84 [GeForce 9500M GS] [10de:0405] (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) + Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:15d2] InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release i386 (20100429) JockeyStatus: - xorg:nvidia_173 - NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (Proprietary, Disabled, Not in use) - xorg:nvidia_173_updates - NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (post-release updates) (Proprietary, Disabled, Not in use) - xorg:nvidia_current - NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (Proprietary, Enabled, In use) - pkg:sl-modem-daemon - Software modem (Proprietary, Disabled, Not in use) - xorg:nvidia_current_updates - NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (post-release updates) (Proprietary, Disabled, Not in use) + xorg:nvidia_173 - NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (Proprietary, Disabled, Not in use) + xorg:nvidia_173_updates - NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (post-release updates) (Proprietary, Disabled, Not in use) + xorg:nvidia_current - NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (Proprietary, Enabled, In use) + pkg:sl-modem-daemon - Software modem (Proprietary, Disabled, Not in use) + xorg:nvidia_current_updates - NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (post-release updates) (Proprietary, Disabled, Not in use) MachineType: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. M51Sn ProcEnviron: - PATH=(custom, user) - LANG=en_US.UTF-8 - SHELL=/bin/bash + PATH=(custom, user) + LANG=en_US.UTF-8 + SHELL=/bin/bash ProcKernelCmdLine: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.0.0-13-generic root=UUID=173acbf5-26a0-49e3-8d2b-f1c142582cbf ro quiet splash vt.handoff=7 SourcePackage: unity UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to oneiric on 2011-12-07 (0 days ago) dmi.bios.date: 12/24/2007 dmi.bios.vendor: American Megatrends Inc. dmi.bios.version: 303 dmi.board.asset.tag: ATN12345678901234567 dmi.board.name: M51Sn dmi.board.vendor: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. dmi.board.version: 1.0 dmi.chassis.asset.tag: ATN12345678901234567 dmi.chassis.type: 10 dmi.chassis.vendor: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. dmi.chassis.version: 1.0 dmi.modalias: dmi:bvnAmericanMegatrendsInc.:bvr303:bd12/24/2007:svnASUSTeKComputerInc.:pnM51Sn:pvr1.0:rvnASUSTeKComputerInc.:rnM51Sn:rvr1.0:cvnASUSTeKComputerInc.:ct10:cvr1.0: dmi.product.name: M51Sn dmi.product.version: 1.0 dmi.sys.vendor: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. version.compiz: compiz 1:0.9.6+bzr20110929-0ubuntu6 version.libdrm2: libdrm2 2.4.26-1ubuntu1 version.libgl1-mesa-dri: libgl1-mesa-dri 7.11-0ubuntu3 version.libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental: libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental N/A version.libgl1-mesa-glx: libgl1-mesa-glx 7.11-0ubuntu3 version.nvidia-graphics-drivers: nvidia-graphics-drivers N/A version.xserver-xorg: xserver-xorg 1:7.6+7ubuntu7 version.xserver-xorg-input-evdev: xserver-xorg-input-evdev 1:2.6.0-1ubuntu13 version.xserver-xorg-video-ati: xserver-xorg-video-ati 1:6.14.99~git20110811.g93fc084-0ubuntu1 version.xserver-xorg-video-intel: xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.15.901-1ubuntu2.1 version.xserver-xorg-video-nouveau: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau 1:0.0.16+git20110411+8378443-1
-- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to light-themes in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/901703 Title: Guidance on sort order triangle direction is opposite of prevailing convention Status in Ayatana Design: New Status in Light Themes: Incomplete Status in “light-themes” package in Ubuntu: Incomplete Bug description: This has been discussed looong ago here https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=305277 and consensus seemes to have been reached to what is obvious: that the direction of the triangle icons indicating ascending/descending ordering in lists is reversed, i.e. wrong. I don't know exactly what relation there is between gnome and unity, but I'm astonished to see that the issue is also present in Unity two years later (two years since the first comment; the bug report indeed dates back to 2005!!). The small end of the triangle (i.e. its tip) should correspond to the side where things are small (i.e. small numbers, strings beginning with 'a', etc), and the big end of the triangle (i.e. its base) should correspond to the side where things are big (big numbers, strings beginning with 'z',...). So a triangle with the tip on the top should mean "ascending downwards", and a triangle with the tip on the bottom and the base on the top should mean "descending downwards". This is the prevailing convention EVERYWHERE except in Ubuntu, and it is also the only one that makes sense. The only possible ambiguity (or questionability) is with dates, because an earlier date can be regarded as "smaller" than a more recent date but also as a "bigger" time ago. Apparently, the (wrong) rationale behind the reverse directioning is that the triangles are mistakenly seen as "arrows" indicating in which physical direction the values are increasing. Hence a "down arrow" (triangle with the tip at the bottom) would mean "the values increase downwards". Note however that this reasoning is fundamentally flawed in that it requires an already implicit "increasing" ordering: if the arrow points "downwards" you have to read "downwards is increasing", if it points upwards you have to read "upwards is increasing". ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 11.10 Package: unity 4.24.0-0ubuntu2b1 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.0.0-13.22-generic 3.0.6 Uname: Linux 3.0.0-13-generic i686 NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia .proc.driver.nvidia.gpus.0: Error: [Errno 21] Is a directory: '/proc/driver/nvidia/gpus/0' .proc.driver.nvidia.registry: Binary: "" .proc.driver.nvidia.version: NVRM version: NVIDIA UNIX x86 Kernel Module 280.13 Wed Jul 27 16:55:43 PDT 2011 GCC version: gcc version 4.6.1 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.6.1-9ubuntu3) .tmp.unity.support.test.0: ApportVersion: 1.23-0ubuntu4 Architecture: i386 CompizPlugins: [core,bailer,detection,composite,opengl,decor,vpswitch,mousepoll,compiztoolbox,snap,place,resize,session,regex,grid,wall,move,gnomecompat,imgpng,animation,fade,unitymtgrabhandles,workarounds,scale,expo,ezoom,unityshell] CompositorRunning: compiz Date: Thu Dec 8 14:46:31 2011 DistUpgraded: Log time: 2011-12-07 19:34:40.350850 DistroCodename: oneiric DistroVariant: ubuntu GraphicsCard: nVidia Corporation G84 [GeForce 9500M GS] [10de:0405] (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:15d2] InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS "Lucid Lynx" - Release i386 (20100429) JockeyStatus: xorg:nvidia_173 - NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (Proprietary, Disabled, Not in use) xorg:nvidia_173_updates - NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (post-release updates) (Proprietary, Disabled, Not in use) xorg:nvidia_current - NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (Proprietary, Enabled, In use) pkg:sl-modem-daemon - Software modem (Proprietary, Disabled, Not in use) xorg:nvidia_current_updates - NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (post-release updates) (Proprietary, Disabled, Not in use) MachineType: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. M51Sn ProcEnviron: PATH=(custom, user) LANG=en_US.UTF-8 SHELL=/bin/bash ProcKernelCmdLine: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.0.0-13-generic root=UUID=173acbf5-26a0-49e3-8d2b-f1c142582cbf ro quiet splash vt.handoff=7 SourcePackage: unity UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to oneiric on 2011-12-07 (0 days ago) dmi.bios.date: 12/24/2007 dmi.bios.vendor: American Megatrends Inc. dmi.bios.version: 303 dmi.board.asset.tag: ATN12345678901234567 dmi.board.name: M51Sn dmi.board.vendor: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. dmi.board.version: 1.0 dmi.chassis.asset.tag: ATN12345678901234567 dmi.chassis.type: 10 dmi.chassis.vendor: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. dmi.chassis.version: 1.0 dmi.modalias: dmi:bvnAmericanMegatrendsInc.:bvr303:bd12/24/2007:svnASUSTeKComputerInc.:pnM51Sn:pvr1.0:rvnASUSTeKComputerInc.:rnM51Sn:rvr1.0:cvnASUSTeKComputerInc.:ct10:cvr1.0: dmi.product.name: M51Sn dmi.product.version: 1.0 dmi.sys.vendor: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. version.compiz: compiz 1:0.9.6+bzr20110929-0ubuntu6 version.libdrm2: libdrm2 2.4.26-1ubuntu1 version.libgl1-mesa-dri: libgl1-mesa-dri 7.11-0ubuntu3 version.libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental: libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental N/A version.libgl1-mesa-glx: libgl1-mesa-glx 7.11-0ubuntu3 version.nvidia-graphics-drivers: nvidia-graphics-drivers N/A version.xserver-xorg: xserver-xorg 1:7.6+7ubuntu7 version.xserver-xorg-input-evdev: xserver-xorg-input-evdev 1:2.6.0-1ubuntu13 version.xserver-xorg-video-ati: xserver-xorg-video-ati 1:6.14.99~git20110811.g93fc084-0ubuntu1 version.xserver-xorg-video-intel: xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.15.901-1ubuntu2.1 version.xserver-xorg-video-nouveau: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau 1:0.0.16+git20110411+8378443-1 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/901703/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : [email protected] Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
