(In reply to comment #69) … > > Regarding the voting, is there generic popular Linux-oriented site in > > France? Like slashdot.org or smth... > > There is a popular Linux-oriented site in France (linuxfr.org) and the > final ajustments of this layout were done after discussion on this site. > > I realise there is a vocal minority that does not like some of those choices
A site like linuxfr.org may well be a vocal minority in itself. Nothing proves that linuxfr.org is representative of ordinary users. And even on linuxfr.org I have seen posts saying "where is my CRTL-R gone?" or "my keyboard is broken since some new version of Ubuntu". In a way, suppressing one of the customary CTRL keys is intrinsically a minority point of view. [Furthermore, the French layout for the Belgian keyboard depends on the French layout for the French keyboard. I do not see why a discussion on linuxfr.org should decide that Belgians have no use of right CTRL.] > but > 1. the other alternatives used in the ancestors of this layout generated a > lot more hate mail I doubt having a right CTRL key ever generated hate mail. That hate mail was about other questions. > 2. because I knew there was no choice everyone would like spacebar layout is > modular (and I'm the person who modularized it as part of the creation of > this layout). People can choose the previous behaviour if they want and a > few other possibilities were added as part of the modularization We are not here discussing space bar, but right CTRL. Is right CTRL modular? Is there an option easily accessible to the ordinary user to restore right CTRL? > 3. so far no one proposed any better option appart from removing symbols > which are necessary to write proper French (arguably proper French is not > the same as C code). It's a lot easier to clamor for removal of the bits you > do not use than to try to design a general-purpose solution without cutting > corners The clamor is not against proper French of for removal of anything. Furthermore, how could an ordinary user "try to design a solution"? The user wants a common PC keyboard with CTRL keys, without having to write the code himself. The clamor is: do what you can to allow writing proper French —and thank you for your trying to do it— but leave the right CTRL. ------- If no agreement can be reached, would it be possible to have the old layout accessible, even under another name? I do not know how many variants are allowed, by design, or by freedesktop conventions. Of course a new variant would be useless if it didn’t appear in the choices offered to an ordinary user by the most popular GNU Linux distributions. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to xkeyboard-config in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1013881 Title: Right-Ctrl key broken on French OSS keyboard Status in central project for keyboard configuration: Confirmed Status in “xkeyboard-config” package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Status in “xkeyboard-config” source package in Precise: Fix Released Bug description: Since the version 2.5-1ubuntu1.2 of the package xkb-data, the right CTRL key of the keyboard has ceased to work. The problem started when APT has updated the xkd-data from 2.5-1ubuntu1 to 2.5-1ubuntu1.2. If I switch back to 2.5.-1ubuntu1 using Synaptic, it works back. ProblemType: Bug DistroRelease: Ubuntu 12.04 Package: xkb-data 2.5-1ubuntu1 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.2.0-25.40-generic 3.2.18 Uname: Linux 3.2.0-25-generic x86_64 ApportVersion: 2.0.1-0ubuntu9 Architecture: amd64 Date: Sat Jun 16 00:16:09 2012 Dependencies: DistUpgraded: Fresh install DistroCodename: precise DistroVariant: ubuntu InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 12.04 LTS "Precise Pangolin" - Release amd64 (20120425) Lsusb: Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub Bus 002 Device 003: ID 17ef:1003 Lenovo Integrated Smart Card Reader MachineType: LENOVO 4243E69 PackageArchitecture: all ProcEnviron: TERM=xterm PATH=(custom, no user) LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 SHELL=/bin/bash ProcKernelCmdLine: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-25-generic root=UUID=f6981326-31fd-4eaf-b039-3a1e5f33dbc0 ro quiet splash vt.handoff=7 SourcePackage: xkeyboard-config UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install) dmi.bios.date: 12/06/2011 dmi.bios.vendor: LENOVO dmi.bios.version: 8AET56WW (1.36 ) dmi.board.asset.tag: Not Available dmi.board.name: 4243E69 dmi.board.vendor: LENOVO dmi.board.version: Not Available dmi.chassis.asset.tag: No Asset Information dmi.chassis.type: 10 dmi.chassis.vendor: LENOVO dmi.chassis.version: Not Available dmi.modalias: dmi:bvnLENOVO:bvr8AET56WW(1.36):bd12/06/2011:svnLENOVO:pn4243E69:pvrThinkPadT520:rvnLENOVO:rn4243E69:rvrNotAvailable:cvnLENOVO:ct10:cvrNotAvailable: dmi.product.name: 4243E69 dmi.product.version: ThinkPad T520 dmi.sys.vendor: LENOVO version.compiz: compiz 1:0.9.7.8-0ubuntu1 version.ia32-libs: ia32-libs 20090808ubuntu36 version.libdrm2: libdrm2 2.4.32-1ubuntu1 version.libgl1-mesa-dri: libgl1-mesa-dri 8.0.2-0ubuntu3.1 version.libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental: libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental N/A version.libgl1-mesa-glx: libgl1-mesa-glx 8.0.2-0ubuntu3.1 version.xserver-xorg-core: xserver-xorg-core 2:1.11.4-0ubuntu10.2 version.xserver-xorg-input-evdev: xserver-xorg-input-evdev 1:2.7.0-0ubuntu1.2 version.xserver-xorg-video-ati: xserver-xorg-video-ati 1:6.14.99~git20111219.aacbd629-0ubuntu2 version.xserver-xorg-video-intel: xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.19.0-0ubuntu1~xup1 version.xserver-xorg-video-nouveau: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau 1:0.0.16+git20111201+b5534a1-1build2 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xkeyboard-config/+bug/1013881/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : [email protected] Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
