+1 on slack, especially if we can have multiple channels. There's something really great about being able to ask questions in specialized mini communities (i.e. #celery-executor or #kubernetes-executor). It also makes it way easier for subject matter experts to respond to relevant questions.
On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 12:38 PM Sid Anand <[email protected]> wrote: > Right.. > > Slack has awesome desktop & mobile clients. Creating an account on Slack is > very lightweight, and I don't see that being a major hurdle IMHO, though > Gitter accepts 3rd party auth (e.g. GitHub, etc....). > > It turns out that https://the-asf.slack.com/ already exists and has a > channel called #airflow. If we do use this and if at some point the ASF > decides to upgrade the workspace to a standard account, we would benefit. > The negative is that the 10K message retention limit is on the entire > workspace, not the channel. > > I'll submit an Apache-style VOTE on this matter and let the community > decide. > > I do hope that whatever the community decides doesn't turn off engagement. > -s > > On Sun, Sep 2, 2018 at 11:23 AM Scott Halgrim > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Data point of one here, but I prefer Slack to Gitter because I have Slack > > open all day anyway. The only time I think to open Gitter is when I have > a > > question about Airflow > > On Sep 1, 2018, 2:13 PM -0700, Shah Altaf <[email protected]>, wrote: > > > Worth considering what the benefits vs problems are for Gitter vs > Slack; > > > i.e. what is Slack solving that Gitter fails at, and what will you lose > > for > > > this exchange. > > > > > > IMO there is a non-quantifiable benefit of the openness of Gitter > rooms, > > in > > > that Gitter conversation snippets appear in search results, with an > > '?at=' > > > querystring so you can jump straight to where the conversation > occurred. > > > > > > So while Gitter's search is lacking, there is that, *added* benefit of > > the > > > free, persistent chat. > > > > > > And as mentioned earlier, Gitter works with your existing accounts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 9:26 PM Sid Anand <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > When we first entered the incubator ~2.5 years ago and we were > > considering > > > > Gitter (Slack was not an option back then), Jakob Homan (our mentor) > > > > mentioned that the the ASF mailing lists were really the place where > > things > > > > needed to be documented. We killed our google group and GH issues and > > moved > > > > into the mailing lists and Jira. We tried Gitter to give people a > > chance to > > > > get instant answers, though as I mentioned at the top of this thread, > > it > > > > had a lot of issues. > > > > > > > > I'm glad to hear that the community is gaining some benefit from a > > > > collaborative instant messaging solution, though it does appear from > > this > > > > thread that the community wants to move to Slack. As a 4-year user of > > > > Slack, I agree Slack is a pretty awesome platform, but I've mostly > used > > > > paid versions at my employers. Once I get some guidance on how to set > > it up > > > > within Apache guidelines, if the ASF has any thoughts on the matter, > > I'll > > > > proceed to transition. Having 2 parallel solutions will be confusing > > IMHO. > > > > -s > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 1, 2018 at 2:30 AM Ash Berlin-Taylor <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I'm not a fan of slack for open source work - it's a walled garden, > > > > > signing up is a hurdle (where you have to use a work around of a > > heroku > > > > > app), not to mention that the client is just so memory hungry! > > > > > > > > > > I'm just a curmudgeon who still likes IRC mainly. So long as I can > > > > install > > > > > https://slack.com/apps/A7DL60U5D-irccloud/ < > > > > > https://blog.irccloud.com/slack-integration/> I won't object ;) > > > > > > > > > > (I am not a fan of Gitter either, but I am constantly logged in via > > their > > > > > IRC gateway. I'm usually the only PPMC responding in there, Bolke > > pops up > > > > > from time-to-time too) > > > > > > > > > > -ash > > > > > > > > > > > On 1 Sep 2018, at 02:40, Sid Anand <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Great feedback. There is an overwhelming interest in moving > Gitter > > to > > > > > > Slack. Just curious: for the folks who set up Slack for other > > Apache > > > > > > projects, did you go via an Apache Infra ticket? > > > > > > > > > > > > -s > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 4:32 PM James Meickle > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am in the gitter chat most work days and there's always > > activity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would be fine with switching to permanent retention slack for > > > > > > > searchability but don't see the point of switching without that > > > > feature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 12:59 Sid Anand <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For a while now, we have had an Airflow Gitter account. > Though > > this > > > > > > > seemed > > > > > > > > like a good idea initially, I'd like to hear from the > > community if > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > > gets value of out it. I don't believe any of the committers > > spend any > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > on Gitter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Early on, the initial committers tried to be available on it, > > but > > > > soon > > > > > > > > found it impossible to be available on all the timezones in > > which we > > > > > had > > > > > > > > users. Furthermore, Gitter notoriously sucks at making > > previously > > > > > > > answered > > > > > > > > questions discoverable. Also, the single-threaded nature of > > Gitter > > > > > > > > essentially makes it confusing to debug/discuss more than on > > topic > > > > at a > > > > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The community seems to be humming along by relying on the > > Apache > > > > > mailing > > > > > > > > lists, which don't suffer the downside listed above. Hence, > as > > > > newbies > > > > > > > join > > > > > > > > Apache Airflow, they likely hop onto Gitter. Are they getting > > value > > > > > from > > > > > > > > it? If not, perhaps we are doing them a disservice and should > > > > consider > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > deleting it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts welcome. > > > > > > > > -s > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
