I think it would not be fair to say "submissions now closed", since we had never initially mentioned such a timeframe for submitting apps. The question is, if more folks submit apps, what is the policy on accepting them ?
-----Original Message----- From: Dmitry Blotsky [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 11:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps I put apps and tools in the same bucket when it came to adding them to the site. I interpreted our last discussion as, “we’ve gotten enough; close the submissions now”. If we’re cool to still add this tool, then let’s just add it. Kindly, Dmitry On Mar 29, 2016, at 7:53 AM, julio cesar sanchez <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I meant rejecting because it was an old PR and it was rejected now. But even if there is no button, people can still send PRs. It's less likely, but still possible. And as most of the topic here was about apps, I wanted to know if we have an official statement for tools. So, if I review this tool now and find it useful, I should open a vote thread before adding it, right? Should it get 3 positive votes as releases? 2016-03-29 16:02 GMT+02:00 Carlos Santana <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>: Julio "rejecting" sounds so harsh Since we removed the "add app" and "add tool" from the webpage, there is no process to submit something to be accepted or rejected I think right now my opinion is that a PMC member would need to do the leg work to review, propose something to be added, and do the work of adding it. PMC members always look out for the best interest of the project, but as always we have lazy consensus it should bring up to other PMC members to see if any would vote -1 for any good reason to no accept the content to be added. Like I said this is only my opinion of one way of getting something added to tools or apps on the website. On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 9:38 AM julio cesar sanchez < [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I bring the topic back again because recently a tool was rejected and the author mailed us asking (and we have not answered him yet) So, are we rejecting tools too? The original topic was "[DISCUSS] Curating Apps" and all the messages were about apps, except this one from Steve that mentions removing "add a tool" and "add a plugin" "YES! Removing the "add a tool" and "add a plugin" is the best way to go. Those PRs require way to much management. Leave it up to PMC to nominate apps." 2015-10-24 3:24 GMT+02:00 Dmitry Blotsky <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>: Sure, I’m also down for removing the “add your app” option. Switching to putting apps up only at our own discretion makes sense. My only concern is that I personally haven’t tried out many Cordova apps, so I would expect us to have a shortage of apps this way. But if other PMC members have apps to suggest, then we should be good. To move forward with Carlos’ proposal, we ought to: - curate the existing list - have someone explain the change of policy to the PRs still open Any takers for those two tasks? Kindly, Dmitry On Oct 23, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Steven Gill <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: YES! Removing the "add a tool" and "add a plugin" is the best way to go. Those PRs require way to much management. Leave it up to PMC to nominate apps. On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Nikhil Khandelwal < [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I like Carlos' proposal. Reviewing PRs for these apps and judging by whatever criteria we finally decide (however objective/subjective) will not be worth our time. The volume of PRs over the last couple of weeks has been quite significant in this area. At the end of the day, we just need 5-10 showcase apps. -Nikhil -----Original Message----- From: Carlos Santana [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 5:37 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps I think we make it more simpler, a PMC member to propose to add an app that he/she tried out and feels that it deserves to be show case as a good example of a great Cordova App. - remove the "add your app" - PMC members mails the list, that he evaluated the app and a short description on why to added and he is planning to added, and ask if someone opposed with a -1 - Like Joe said, we don't need a tons of Apps, just a few will satisfy the goal - The Apache way, if there are no -1 app get's added. On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 7:27 PM Dmitry Blotsky < [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Sounds like we’ve got some (potentially mutually exclusive) points: - request detailed app descriptions from submitters - curate based on detailed criteria - curate based on loose criteria - only accept blog posts, and get rid of the showcase - just accept all requests Should this be a proposal on cordova-discuss? Or does someone feel like we have a consensus? The ultimate goal is to have something that displays good use of Cordova. I’d personally like to go with the easiest way to achieve this. Kindly, Dmitry On Oct 19, 2015, at 1:28 PM, Joerg Holz <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I like the slogan: "submit something that helps other developers build a better app“. I disagree about your app store points, staring, public store, we don’t need that. And my opion is, that we should promote apps, which are clean or mostly clean from any Framework. Joerg Am 19.10.2015 um 20:11 schrieb Ryan J. Salva < [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> : The original goal for including the app showcase was to demonstrate that developers can build rockstar-quality apps using Cordova. I agree that by opening the invitation to anyone without a vetting process, we fall short of the original goal. Indeed, we might end up with a throng of hobo-quality apps using any technology under the sun :-) At the same time, I don't want to sign up any of the Cordova committers to navigate the prejudicial question of "what counts as good?" Thus, I like Jörg's proposal that we raise the empirical bar for entry. App developers need to prove not only that their app is a Cordova app, but they have to submit something that helps other developers build a better app. Here's a straw man proposal intended to provoke response: Must appear in a public store Must use Cordova Minimum 4 start rating Minimum 1,000 downloads Submitter must write a 200+ word blog post answering – Which platforms are supported (minimum two) – Which plugins are used? – Which frameworks are used, if any? – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, … – Something about problems – Development environment and tools used Thoughts? rjs Ryan J. Salva | Principal Program Manager Lead Visual Studio Tools for Apache Cordova [email protected] 206 612 5079 mobile -----Original Message----- From: Joerg Holz [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 8:11 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Curating Apps thx for agreeing, but I see things different: – What means pretty good, who will decide this, how to measure? – What mean's popular, count of downloads? Cordova as project has to have a view from Cordova -> Apps and not from the other side. People have to say, why Cordova is good, Cordova has not to say why an app is good. And, yes, there is a need to have a blog or someting else for helping people and doing the small, but important, things. The most important thing is, that a lot of people starting with Cordova don’t know a lot about javascript, htlm and css and that is the reason why a lot of questions on SO are unanswered. Jörg Am 19.10.2015 um 16:37 schrieb Parashuram N < [email protected] : I agree with Joerg. The only reason we have curated apps on the page is to show people that Cordova can be used for building real apps. One perception people have today is that Cordova and WebView is not fast enough, or that serious applications are written in native languages. I think that any app on the showcase should emphasize 3 things - The app is pretty good, and feels like native and performs like one. - The app works across multiple platforms, ensuring code sharing - The app is popular, something that our users may have come across, or would like to try. While it would be great to talk about how the app was built, I fear that it would be hard to get apps to write all that information. It would actually be awesome if we have blog posts that has articles from these app authors, describing their experience with writing Cordova apps. On 10/19/15, 5:46 AM, "Joerg Holz" <[email protected]> wrote: I don’t like the phonegap app pages. They are cheap ads for developers, nothing more. My proposal is another one. Cordova has two main problems in the public: – Are complex apps working well? – How is an app exactly developed? So, I see a deal: The one, who want’s to be curated on the site has to tell details about the app. That means: We could curate apps/developers, if they telling someting about their solutions, for example: – Which platforms are supported (minimum two) – Which plugins are used? – Which frameworks are used, if any? – Syncing, languages, support for disabled people, … – Something about problems – Developing enviroment A few of the apps are displayed randomly, each in a category (utility, production, … like in the stores) and there is a list with all apps on a second page. Regards, Joerg Am 19.10.2015 um 06:12 schrieb Jesse <[email protected] : This was part of my hesitation in doing this. https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=PhoneGap.com&; data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com %7cb4e7e06a004e46a8f7fc08 d2dc0b5159%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=xLExNR7j 4pa52lvKXsCP2O4lulNcj%2frZJ%2byt0CTJ3uc%3d gets >20 submissions a week, and someone has to look at them, validate them. Here [1] is a link to page 30 of the android apps, and there are 24 apps per page. We also have to consider appropriateness of the app, is it adult? mature? We cannot display every app submitted. I agree with automating the display of apps, we don't want to have to do this. 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Apps in the showcase should really be the best of the best, yeah? Apps that show that the myths about Cordova aren’t true, etc. On 17 October 2015 at 07:44:49, Joe Bowser ([email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>) wrote: Yes, I definitely think we should be curating the apps to make sure they're legit. On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Dmitry Blotsky < [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hey folks, Just a quick thought: should we be curating the apps in the showcase to make sure they’re legit? I verify that they’re on an app store, but the Android app store has no curation. 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