This, posted a few minutes ago, is a timely reminder: https://twitter.com/symbiat/status/527904348542873600
Fairly representative. :) On 30 October 2014 20:02, Noah Slater <[email protected]> wrote: > Here, here, Joan. > > Let's wait for submissions, and wait for Sean. > > Then once we have a bevy of suggestions we can put the entire matter to a > poll. > > On 30 October 2014 19:05, Joan Touzet <[email protected]> wrote: >> I have started a new marketing@ thread on changing the motto, as it's not >> a developer-related issue. >> >> Trying to get this thread back on track, if people have new logo >> suggestions - real ones, well designed, not jokes or vitriol, please post >> them here for us to get a look at. We don't need an official announcement >> about a logo search/contest to start accepting submissions. >> >> -Joan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Andy Wenk" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 1:09:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo >> >> Jan, >> >> thanks for your list :) . That reflects and summarises my thoughts as well >> >> @Noah ... I understand confusion with Couchbase in social media. I was not >> really aware of that. So I support the point working on that issue but am >> still -1 in changing the name >> >> Cheers >> >> Andy >> >> On 30 October 2014 17:49, Jan Lehnardt <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Ah, sorry, I thought this was in reply to me. Hooray for non-threaded MUAs >>> :/ >>> >>> >>> > On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:47 , Noah Slater <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > I was replying to this thread: >>> > >>> > Andy: >>> >> sure - IF we want to rename then with 2.0. But before I give my whatever >>> > vote, I would like to know which advantages you expect to get with a >>> rename >>> > .... as of now - I can only think of negative aspects ... >>> > >>> > Noah: >>> >> Clear up massive brand confusion with Couchbase, basically. >>> > >>> > Andy: >>> >> I am not sure how big this special issue is because I clearly see the >>> > situation from CouchDB. If we have a look to the people on the ML who >>> think >>> > it's Couchbase, that's very minimal ... I would prefer to keep the name >>> and >>> > clarify the situation as often as possible >>> > >>> > On 30 October 2014 17:45, Jan Lehnardt <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> My comment on Couchbase was related to the logo, not the name. >>> >> >>> >> Best >>> >> Jan >>> >> -- >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:39 , Noah Slater <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> No, because of the name. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 30 October 2014 17:34, Jan Lehnardt <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> On 30 Oct 2014, at 17:33 , Noah Slater <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> The confusion with Couchbase is large, widespread, and shows no signs >>> >>>>> of resolving itself any time soon. This issue is constantly coming up >>> >>>>> on social media, in person, and so on. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Because of the logo? I hardly think so. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Best >>> >>>> Jan >>> >>>> -- >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On 30 October 2014 17:04, Andy Wenk <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:47, Noah Slater <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> Clear up massive brand confusion with Couchbase, basically. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> I am not sure how big this special issue is because I clearly see >>> the >>> >>>>>> situation from CouchDB. If we have a look to the people on the ML >>> who think >>> >>>>>> it's Couchbase, that's very minimal ... I would prefer to keep the >>> name and >>> >>>>>> clarify the situation as often as possible >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:35, Andy Wenk <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> sure - IF we want to rename then with 2.0. But before I give my >>> whatever >>> >>>>>>>> vote, I would like to know which advantages you expect to get >>> with a >>> >>>>>>> rename >>> >>>>>>>> .... as of now - I can only think of negative aspects ... >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 16:08, Jason Smith <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Love it. Get away from the WhateverDB thing. Just stake out an >>> arbitrary >>> >>>>>>>>> mark from which we build clear, unambiguous IP. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> My proposal (as long as we are brainstorming names): >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Eight Ball >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Tagline: Whatever you do. Don't get more eight ball! >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> More seriously, yes, a name change has lots of problems. But it >>> is worth >>> >>>>>>>>> re-considering Noah's point that now is the best time to do it, >>> if it >>> >>>>>>> is to >>> >>>>>>>>> be done. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:02 PM, Noah Slater < >>> [email protected]> >>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> I've been wanting to rename it SleepyDB for a while now. (cf. >>> Max >>> >>>>>>>>>> Ogden's SLEEP protocol.) >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> On 30 October 2014 11:43, Kevin Coombes < >>> [email protected]> >>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Definitely -1 on changing the name. It's already "cooked" into >>> >>>>>>>>> everything >>> >>>>>>>>>>> associated with the project. There are links (and hard copy >>> >>>>>>> references) >>> >>>>>>>>>> to >>> >>>>>>>>>>> the name and the web site(s) all over the place. How long do >>> you >>> >>>>>>> want >>> >>>>>>>>> to >>> >>>>>>>>>> be >>> >>>>>>>>>>> forced to maintain DNS or HTTP entries to forward users from >>> the >>> >>>>>>>>> current >>> >>>>>>>>>>> names to whatever you might pick for new ones? >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> I would be perfectly happy to see a new logo however. And the >>> last >>> >>>>>>>>> time I >>> >>>>>>>>>>> looked, there were a lot more colors than just red or blue.... >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Kevin >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 30, 2014 6:11 AM, "Brad Noble" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *SyncDB* >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The database that syncs. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Logo would embody that idea. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Inactive hide details for Jason Smith ---10/30/2014 >>> >>>>>>> 04:40:26 >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> AM---On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Noah Slater >>> <nslater@apache >>> >>>>>>>>>> ]Jason >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Smith ---10/30/2014 04:40:26 AM---On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at >>> 12:52 AM, >>> >>>>>>>>> Noah >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Slater <[email protected]> wrote: > Blue is nice. :) But the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jason Smith <[email protected]> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 10/30/2014 04:40 AM >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Improved CouchDB logo >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 12:52 AM, Noah Slater < >>> [email protected]> >>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blue is nice. :) But then that tempts me to change the name >>> too. >>> >>>>>>> I >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> mean, if we're ever going to do this, now is the time. It's >>> >>>>>>>>> important >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to note though that we have a very STRONG brand, and >>> changing it >>> >>>>>>> in >>> >>>>>>>>> a >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> big will be expensive. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Change the name! Change the name! >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Like all transitions, it seems scary. But once it's done we >>> will >>> >>>>>>> all >>> >>>>>>>>>> wonder >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> what we were so worried about. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The brand is strong, but the question is, how much of that >>> strength >>> >>>>>>>>> can >>> >>>>>>>>>> we >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> keep, and how much do we lose. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I think we will keep nearly all of it, plus we will get tons >>> of >>> >>>>>>>>>> attention >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> with a 2.0 release and name change. And as if that already >>> isn't >>> >>>>>>>>>> enough, we >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> get the opportunity to walk away from a ton of branding >>> baggage and >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> trademark problems. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Change the name! >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>>>>> Noah Slater >>> >>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>>> Andy Wenk >>> >>>>>>>> Hamburg - Germany >>> >>>>>>>> RockIt! >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588 >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>> Noah Slater >>> >>>>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>> Andy Wenk >>> >>>>>> Hamburg - Germany >>> >>>>>> RockIt! >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588 >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> -- >>> >>>>> Noah Slater >>> >>>>> https://twitter.com/nslater >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Noah Slater >>> >>> https://twitter.com/nslater >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Noah Slater >>> > https://twitter.com/nslater >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Andy Wenk >> Hamburg - Germany >> RockIt! >> >> GPG fingerprint: C044 8322 9E12 1483 4FEC 9452 B65D 6BE3 9ED3 9588 >> >> https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/andywenk.asc > > > > -- > Noah Slater > https://twitter.com/nslater -- Noah Slater https://twitter.com/nslater
