What about a custom lifecycle?  Wouldn't that be more appropriate?

sean

On 12/29/05, Martin Marinschek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, I really don't think this is ugly UI design - the button might
> just be at a different position, above or below the actual form. The
> usual case is that the button is included, you're right.
>
> My other problem is the more important one - there are actions I want
> to execute which are not supposed to trigger any validation or model
> update at all.
>
> The usual way to implement this is to use the "immediate" attribute -
> which works fine, except for input components which are themselves
> "immediate". For those, you'll still see validation messages popping
> up.
>
> regards,
>
> Martin
>
> On 12/29/05, Bernd Bohmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hello Martin,
> >
> > Martin Marinschek schrieb:
> > > I thought so ;)
> > >
> > > Ok, I'm going to add a subform-component to my approach. I still need
> > > the attribute on the command-components, though, cause in my use-case
> > > (and probably many out there) the command component may be _outside_
> > > the subform-component. Additionally, I might have commands which don't
> > > trigger validation and update for _any_ subform at all, even if they
> > > are children of a subform.
> >
> > Can you describe your use case? (jsp)
> >
> > In tobago we didn't have this use case so far. I think it is ugly ui
> > design if a command outside a subform must break the processValidation
> > and processUpdates. Perhaps i understand it if you describe your problem.
> >
> > I think it should not really a problem to provide a subview component in
> > tomahawk or sandbox that can used by all renderkits :-)
> >
> > Bernd
> >
> >
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