> When discussing[1] the build systems, have we also considered the Apache
> view point - e.g. running Apache on Apache? From this perspective Ant and
> Maven are +10...

Coding in Apache Groovy using an Apache Subversion repository and an Apache Ant 
build system :-)

> [1] I assume this thread is just a discussion as nobody has the guts to 
> really rework the whole build system for all the (including not yet
> donated) code, right?

Considering William L. Thomson Jr. single-handledly did the Gentoo build system 
for NetBeans using portage it doesn't seem like an impossible task.

Actually, one idea I would like to try is source-code only modules that get 
compiled at load time (kind-of like Tomcat compiles JSPs).

This would greatly simplify our releases since most of the modules would be 
just compresses source code. Only a small part will have to be binary.

--emi

‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐

On 28 May 2018 6:10 PM, Jaroslav Tulach <[email protected]> wrote:

> 2018-05-25 16:58 GMT+02:00 Neil C Smith [email protected]:
> 
> > On Fri, 25 May 2018 at 02:02 Tim Boudreau [email protected] wrote:
> > 
> > > IMO, Gradle is a step backward for build systems - scriptability leads to
> > > 
> > > fragile systems, and ones that are impossible for tools to reason about.
> > > 
> > > https://timboudreau.com/blog/maven/read
> > 
> > Nice article! I know you link it in a comment, but also worth posting
> > 
> > Jaroslav's page on this too - http://wiki.apidesign.org/wiki/Gradle
> 
> Now I see! I've noticed quite a lot of activity on twitter with respect to
> 
> this article. Now I know where it is coming from. Thanks for sharing!
> 
> When discussing[1] the build systems, have we also considered the Apache
> 
> view point - e.g. running Apache on Apache? From this perspective Ant and
> 
> Maven are +10...
> 
> -jt
> 
> [1] I assume this thread is just a discussion as nobody has the guts to
> 
> really rework the whole build system for all the (including not yet
> 
> donated) code, right?


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