Of course this should be done in an orderly fashion. Not sure once Apache gets the domain if they will agree to this, particularly hg.netbeans.org since that will be like hosting / distributing source code they don't own and somebody will certainly rush to veto this.
I think there are a whole bunch of domains and URLs(!) that would be a shame not to have an orderly migration. Google ranking and general discoverability is going to be terrible if we just drop these domains from the Internet. I remember a while back I wanted to start an 'Archival Project' to preserve most of what's right now online, but I saw little feedback from the Oracle side on getting access to the data (for example, a bugzilla database dump) and I don't feel like scrapping the whole website myself. Bugzilla of course, also has a ton of historical, contextual knowledge that will be terrible if it goes away -- commits and comments routinely reference bugzilla and much of the meat of understanding what happened is in the bugzilla comments. --emi ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On 29 May 2018 4:00 PM, Jaroslav Tulach <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Emilian, > > I'd even argue that once netbeans.org domain gets transfered to Apache, it > > is important (for the smoothness of migration) to keep DNS names of certain > > IP addresses. For example > > hg.netbeans.org > > wiki.netbeans.org > > shall in my opinion continue to work and point to the same machines, while > > they are on. This shall not be done to save Apache any resources - all new > > development of Apache NetBeans shall use Apache infrastructure, but these > > old machines contain a lot of knowledge and keeping their DNS records helps > > us to transfer the important parts of wisdom in an incremental fashion to > > the proper Apache infrastructure. > > -jt > > 2018-05-28 19:25 GMT+02:00 Emilian Bold [email protected]: > > > Considering there is no public Apache NetBeans 9 that users may freely > > > > download it might be a very good idea that netbeans.org is still under > > > > Oracle control and users at least get to see some download button with an > > > > installer. (I would also be curious to see, at least on private@ some > > > > statistics for that download button while we still can). > > > > Once we do have an Apache NetBeans 9 for users to download, including > > > > "convenience binaries" then we can say it makes perfect sense to want the > > > > whole netbeans.org domain too. > > > > --emi > > > > ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ > > > > On 28 May 2018 6:33 PM, Jaroslav Tulach [email protected] wrote: > > > > > Back to mailing list... > > > > > > Looks like my attempt to upload org.netbeans.html and other org.netbeans > > > > > > binaries to Maven repository hasn't succeeded. One of the reasons is that > > > > > > Oracle hasn't donated NetBeans trademark and netbeans.org domain to > > > > > > Apache > > > > > > yet. Surprising! I thought this was donated together with the 1st code > > > > > > donation. Obviously it wasn't. At least we (as Oracle employees) have > > > > > > something on to work on... > > > > > > 2018-05-16 20:38 GMT+02:00 Chris Lambertus (JIRA) [email protected]: > > > > > > > [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-16435?page= > > > > > > > > > > > > com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment- > > > > > > > > tabpanel&focusedCommentId=16477884#comment-16477884 ] > > > > > > > > Chris Lambertus commented on INFRA-16435: > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > Per discussion with Joel Orlina/Brian Fox/Sonatype, the existing Infra > > > > > > > > tooling for repository.a.o apparently does not allow for the standard > > > > > > > > staging/release process for coordinates outside of org.apache. I do not > > > > > > > > know how those other artifacts are being pushed or managed. This is > > > > > > > > not my > > > > > > > area of expertise, > > > > > > ...looks like Chris cannot explain why artifacts innon-apache.org > > > > > > namespace appear in the repository. But it is clear such artifacts can be > > > > > > uploaded as https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/releases/ > > > > > > org/ > > > > > > proves. I guess the TODO for us (as the Apache gang) is to find out how > > > > > > that is possible? > > > > > > Once both TODOs (Oracle donates the domain and we find out how for > > > > > > example > > > > > > freemarker appears on the Maven repo) are marked as done, we can request > > > > > > help from infra again. > > > > > > -jt > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
