You know, long ago I was more of an Emacs guy (because, LISP!) but then I 
gradually switched to Vi since it's available everywhere and if I just need to 
tweak one file I might as well use what's there. No statistics notices this I 
guess.

Our over 1M users are hard to understand because they are very quiet. You would 
assume that from 1M users you would have a whole lot of them commenting on 
issues/twitter/facebook/emails/etc. In reality people just use your thing 
as-is. In time, if it doesn't fit their needs, they just silently switch. At 
most you might get an off-hand comment in a random context: "oh, NetBeans? I 
used that for 5 years every day!"

--emi

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On 1 June 2018 9:24 AM, Dmitry Avtonomov <[email protected]> wrote:

> Interesting! A few years ago I knew at least 5 people who used NetBeans
> 
> regularly. Now that number is down to zero, I'm the only one left :
> 
> On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:40 PM, Antonio [email protected] wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > This is great news!
> > 
> > When this finally works as expected, I was wondering if we could also
> > 
> > track downloaded third-party plugins (3PP), so we could detect which 3PPs
> > 
> > are less popular and sort them accordingly.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > Antonio
> > 
> > On 31/05/18 19:51, Jiří Kovalský wrote:
> > 
> > > Yes, that's what we are trying to solve in https://issues.apache.org/jira
> > > 
> > > /browse/NETBEANS-330 and I won't +1 GA voting unless it's fixed. :)
> > > 
> > > People can opt-out being counted if they set Check Interval for
> > > 
> > > Automatically Check for Updates option to "Never" and then do not check
> > > 
> > > NetBeans Update Center manually.
> > > 
> > > And how we calculate the numbers? We collect Apache log files from all
> > > 
> > > download servers, parse them to extract entries when somebody downloaded
> > > 
> > > catalog.xml.gz file i.e. Update Center which is by default scheduled to
> > > 
> > > happen on a weekly basis and then store the records to database. Every GET
> > > 
> > > request sends unique ID identifying single NetBeans installation which we
> > > 
> > > then use to distinguish users from each other and if we identify the same
> > > 
> > > ID in the DB twice in a month we increment the counter of unique active
> > > 
> > > users. :)
> > > 
> > > -Jirka
> > > 
> > > Dne 31.5.2018 v 18:53 Eirik Bakke napsal(a):
> > > 
> > > Those are some great stats. Does/will the Apache version of NetBeans still
> > > 
> > > > incorporate the telemetry that allows these statistics to be collected?
> > > > 
> > > > How does it work?
> > > > 
> > > > Does this exclude users that opted out of statistics collection? (Is
> > > > 
> > > > there
> > > > 
> > > > even such an option somewhere?)
> > > > 
> > > > It would be great to have a way to keep gathering these numbers in the
> > > > 
> > > > future.
> > > > 
> > > > -- Eirik
> > > > 
> > > > On 5/31/18, 9:06 AM, "Jiří Kovalský" [email protected] wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Hi folks,
> > > > 
> > > > > do we want to promote this on our website?
> > > > > 
> > > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.fac
> > > > > 
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> > > > > 
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> > > > > 
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> > > > > 
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> > > > > 
> > > > > -Jirka
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