On Saturday, April 18, 2015 at 1:17:27 PM UTC+2, Tim Guan-tin Chien wrote: > Anders, > > I am pretty sure your reply is unrelated to the topic here.
IMO, these things represent different visions on how the web (and thus also Firefox OS) should or could evolve. > Even if they are related, I am pretty sure the direction of the > security model work is not entirely opposite. Based on private communication on the Mozilla IRC, it seems that the general view is that the native layer should be DUPLICATED into the Open Web. This is not possible except on paper and therefore I think Mozilla should accept the idea that locally installed HTML5/JS apps is just another form of "App" technology. By doing that you can progress Firefox OS in a faster and more constructive way. Hosted apps using privileged calls represent an "edge case" that Mozilla may equally well forget which also allows you to radically simplify the security model. The recently started W3C Web NFC CG highlights the close to religious problems we have, where the conveners claim that Web NFC needs Web technology which is utterly wrong except for one and very interesting use-case: Interacting with untrusted Web pages like we currently do with QR-code. However, the CONNECTING party certainly doesn't need to have a "WebOS" to use that in similarity to any other NFC use-case I'm aware of! Anders Web + Native = Killer Combination > > Tim > > On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Anders Rundgren > <[email protected]> wrote: > > In my opinion Mozilla is trying to solve the wrong problem. > > > > The walled garden App Stores required for Android and iOS haven't limited > > their success, right? > > > > The really big problem is that the "Open Web" have become toothless after > > the deprecation of plugins and other security actions which is making the > > "App" approach the only realistic option for important things like mobile > > payments. > > > > The W3C "Web Astronauts" have actively reduced the power of the Open Web by > > downplaying and actively deprecating extension schemes which are absolutely > > instrumental for keeping the Open Web up and running and comparable to its > > native (and currently much more powerful) cousin! > > > > Sorry for being a PITA but this is dead serious. > > > > Anders Rundgren > > _______________________________________________ > > dev-b2g mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-b2g _______________________________________________ dev-b2g mailing list [email protected] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-b2g
