Correction:

* "magpie-asf-incubator-candidates"
* "magpie-asf-comdev-commiter-candidates,"

As an example set of similar SKILLs.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2026 at 10:37 PM Jarek Potiuk <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Rich,
>
> This is an excellent question.
>
> Currently, we work effectively with ComDev for MCPs (PonyMail / Apache
> Projects - and we can also add Trademark and other MCPs from
> Incubator). I see a natural split emerging where MCPs reside in ComDev
> or the Incubator, while Magpie focuses on the workflow infrastructure
> and "SKILLS" to run them.
>
> I see two primary ways we could proceed regarding the ownership and
> location of these skills:
>
> 1)  Joint Maintenance in Magpie: Since several founding members here
> are also in ComDev and the Incubator, we could pragmatically update
> skills within Magpie together. While this avoids duplication, it
> carries a risk of tension if different groups have conflicting views
> on governance or teaching styles
>
> 2)  Decoupled sets of SKILLS: We could have distinct sets of skills
> marked as "asf-incubator" and "asf-comdev." These would be maintained
> by their respective teams in their own repositories, and Magpie would
> simply proxy and install them by default for ASF projects. This
> approach aligns with our goal of keeping Magpie agnostic of specific
> organizational governance. It also allows the Incubator and ComDev to
> maintain their unique perspectives—for instance, focusing on trademark
> checking or initial "teaching" versus reinforcing established
> practices. Yes - there will be some duplication - but if duplication
> means we avoid tension when reconciling things, I think that's fine.
> There might be similar SKILLs, for example,
> "magpie-asf-incubator-candidates" and
> "magpie-asf-incubator-commiter-candidates," that would be similar but
> not necessarily the same.
>
> Personally, I lean towards Option 2.
>
> It reduces potential tension between PMCs and sends a clear signal to
> external users that Magpie is not "Apache-only," while still allowing
> groups to share underlying data tools like the Ponymail or Apache
> Projects MCPs and to use Magpie's infrastructural pieces - like
> security/isolation/privacy/update and installation and adoption
> mechanisms.
>
> One more thing makes Option 2 more appealing. This also relates to why
> we traditionally believe (as we were taught throughout our engineering
> journey) that DRY is almost universally a good thing. I've always had
> an issue with this, because the price you pay for DRY is increased
> coupling, meaning you must agree on things before making them DRY—it's
> always a trade-off. And what I've learned is that AI/Agents make DRY
> far less valuable. We can always ask an agent to reconcile things,
> find and fix commonalities and leave things in two or more places.
> Yes, they might diverge, but then we can make them "eventually
> consistent" - in places that matter, not across the board.
>
> This also ties into our ongoing discussion regarding the adoption
> journey and taxonomy:
> https://lists.apache.org/thread/rckckmc50hl3z33yxz5rkszs1k7gf5w5
> (https://lists.apache.org/thread/rckckmc50hl3z33yxz5rkszs1k7gf5w5) -
> it might be good input to "intent" approach - and whether "family" is
> a good "unit of adoption".
>
> I would love to hear what others think about this separation of scopes.
>
> Best regards,
> Jarek
>

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