Hi

That’s great info, thank you.

There’s one place where we could gain heaps is in the media stack.
Currently, each content process allocate a thread-pool with at least 8 threads 
for use with the media decoders, each threads a default stack size of 256kB.
(https://searchfox.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/threads/nsIThreadManager.idl#53)

That stack size has been increased over the years due to the growing use of 
either system frameworks (in particular the mac CoreVideo framework that use 
over 200kB alone), and right now 256kB itself isn’t enough for the new AV1 
decoder from libaom.

One of the work the media team has started, is to have all those decoders run 
in a dedicated process: the reason for this work was mostly done for security 
reasons, but there will be side gains memory-wise.

This work is tracked in bug 1471535 
(https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1471535)

Once this is done, and we no longer calls decoders in the content process, the 
decoder process could use an increase stack size, while reducing the content 
process default stack size to 128kB (and maybe even 64kB)

That alone may be sufficient to achieve your mentioned goals.

An immediate intermediary step could be to use two different stack sizes as we 
pretty much know which one needs more over others.

JY


> On 10 Jul 2018, at 8:19 pm, Kris Maglione <kmagli...@mozilla.com> wrote:
> 
> Welcome to the first edition of the Fission MemShrink newsletter.[1]
> 
> In this edition, I'll sum up what the project is, and why it matters to you. 
> In subsequent editions, I'll give updates on progress that we've made, and 
> areas that we'll need to focus on next.[2]
> 
> 
> The Fission MemShrink project is one of the most easily overlooked aspects of 
> Project Fission (also known as Site Isolation), but is absolutely critical to 
> its success. And will require a company- and community-wide effort effort to 
> meet its goals.
> 
> The problem is thus: In order for site isolation to work, we need to be able 
> to run *at least* 100 content processes in an average Firefox session. Each 
> of those processes has its own base memory overhead—memory we use just for 
> creating the process, regardless of what's running in it. In the post-Fission 
> world, that overhead needs to be less than 10MB per process in order to keep 
> the extra overhead from Fission below 1GB. Right now, on our best-cast 
> platform, Windows 10, is somewhere between 17 and 21MB. Linux and OS-X hover 
> between 25 and 35MB. In other words, between 2 and 3.5GB for an ordinary 
> session.
> 
> That means that, in the best case, we need to reduce the memory we use in 
> content processes by *at least* 7MB. The problem, of course, is that there 
> are only so many places we can cut memory without losing functionality, and 
> even fewer places where we can make big wins. But, there are lots of places 
> we can make small and medium-sized wins.
> 
> So, to put the task into perspective, of all of the places we can cut a 
> certain amount of overhead, here are the number of each that we need to fix 
> in order to reach 1MB:
> 
> 250KB:   4
> 100KB:  10
> 75KB:   13
> 50KB:   20
> 20KB:   50
> 10KB:  100
> 5KB:   200
> 
> Now remember: we need to do *all* of these in order to reach our goal. It's 
> not a matter of one 250KB improvement or 50 5KB improvements. It's 4 250KB 
> *and* 200 5KB improvements. There just aren't enough places we can cut 250KB. 
> If we fall short in any of those areas, Project Fission will fail, and 
> Firefox will be the only major browser without site isolation.
> 
> But it won't fail, because all of you are awesome, and this is a totally 
> achievable goal if we all throw our effort behind it.
> 
> Essentially what this means, though, is that if we identify an area of 
> overhead that's 50KB[3] or larger that can be eliminated, it *has* to be 
> eliminated. There just aren't that many large chunks to remove. They all need 
> to go. And if an area of code has a dozen 5KB chunks that can be eliminated, 
> maybe they don't all have to go, but at least half of them do. The more the 
> better.
> 
> 
> To help us triage these issues, we have a tracking bug 
> (https://bugzil.la/memshrink-content), and a per-bug whiteboard tag 
> ([overhead:...]) which gives an estimate of how much per-process overhead we 
> believe fixing that bug would eliminate. Please feel free to add blockers to 
> the tracking bug if you think they're relevant, and to add or update 
> [overhead] tags if you have reasonable estimates.
> 
> 
> With all of that said, here's a brief update of the progress we've made so 
> far:
> 
> In the past month, unique memory per process[4] has dropped 3-4MB[5], and JS 
> memory usage in particular has dropped 1.1-1.9MB.
> 
> Particular credit goes to:
> 
> * Eric Rahm added an AWSY test suite to track base content process memory
>  (https://bugzil.la/1442361). Results:
> 
>   Resident unique: 
> https://treeherder.mozilla.org/perf.html#/graphs?series=mozilla-central,1684862,1,4&series=mozilla-central,1684846,1,4&series=mozilla-central,1685133,1,4&series=mozilla-central,1685127,1,4
>   Explicit allocations: 
> https://treeherder.mozilla.org/perf.html#/graphs?series=mozilla-inbound,1706218,1,4&series=mozilla-inbound,1706220,1,4&series=mozilla-inbound,1706216,1,4
>   JS: 
> https://treeherder.mozilla.org/perf.html#/graphs?series=mozilla-central,1684866,1,4&series=mozilla-central,1685137,1,4&series=mozilla-central,1685131,1,4
> 
> * Andrew McCreight created a tool for tracking JS memory usage, and figuring
>  out which scripts and objects are responsible for how much of it
>  (https://bugzil.la/1463569).
> 
> * Andrew and Nika Layzell also completely rewrote the way we handle XPIDL type
>  info so that it's statically compiled into the executable and shared between
>  all processes (https://bugzil.la/1438688, https://bugzil.la/1444745).
> 
> * Felipe Gomes split a bunch of code out of frame scripts so that it could be
>  lazily loaded only when needed (https://bugzil.la/1467278, ...) and added a
>  whitelist of JSMs that are allowed to be loaded at content process startup
>  (https://bugzil.la/1471066)
> 
> * I did a bit of this too, and also prevented us from loading some other JSMs
>  before we need them (https://bugzil.la/1470333, https://bugzil.la/1469719,
>  ...)
> 
> * Nick Nethercote made dynamic nsAtoms allocate their string storage inline
>  rather than use a refcounted StringBuffer (https://bugzil.la/1447951)
> 
> * Emilio Álvarez reduced the amount of memory the Gecko Profiler uses in
>  content processes.
> 
> * Nathan Froyd fixed our static nsAtom code so it didn't generate static
>  initializers (https://bugzil.la/1455178) and reduced the stack size of our
>  image decoder threads (https://bugzil.la/1443932).
> 
> * Doug Thayer reduced the number of hang monitor threads we start in each
>  process (https://bugzil.la/1448040)
> 
> * Boris Zbarsky removed a bunch of useless QueryInterface implementations
>  (https://bugzil.la/1452862), made our static isInstance methods use less
>  memory (https://bugzil.la/1452786), and generally deleted a bunch of
>  useless, legacy nsI* interfaces that required us to add extra vtable
>  pointers to a lot of DOM object instances.
> 
> And your humble author contributed the following:
> 
> * Changed our localization string bundles to use shared memory for bundles
>  which are loaded into content processes (https://bugzil.la/1470365).
>  This bug also adds some helpers which should make it easer to use shared
>  memory for more things in the future.
> 
> * Made some changes to the script preloader to avoid keeping an unnecessary
>  encoded copy of scripts in the content process (https://bugzil.la/1470793),
>  to drop cached single-use scripts (https://bugzil.la/1471091), and to improve
>  the set of scripts we load in content processes (https://bugzil.la/1471089).
> 
> * Made some smaller optimizations to avoid making copies of strings in
>  preference callbacks (https://bugzil.la/1472523), and to remove the XPC
>  compilation scope (https://bugzil.la/1442737)
> 
> Apologies to anyone I missed.
> 
> 
> [1]: Please feel free to read the '.' as a '!' if you're so inclined. I
>    generally shy away from exclamation marks.
> [2]: If this seems like a massive rip-off of Ehsan's Quantum Flow newsletter
>    format, that's because it is. Thanks, Ehsan :)
> [3]: 50KB per process, which is to say 5MB across 100 content processes.
> [4]: The total memory mapped by each content process which is not shared by
>    other processes. Approximately equal to USS.
> [5]: It's hard to be precise, since the numbers can be noisy, and are often
>    bi-modal.
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