I think most CAs do monitor issuance by sub CAs. However, Verizon was not 
monitoring them for these type of issuance.  We are currently trying to 
transition everyone to DigiCert, including getting better reporting in place 
for their issuance activities. There is no policy requiring better monitoring 
of Sub CAs if they have their own audit, which each of these subCAs have. 
Typically, these are ETSI audits.  However, I would support a policy (either 
at Mozilla or the CAB Forum) that did require better monitoring of sub CAs.



From: Steve Schultze [mailto:sjschul...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2016 9:05 PM
To: Jeremy Rowley
Cc: Rick Andrews; mozilla-dev-security-pol...@lists.mozilla.org
Subject: Re: More SHA-1 certs



Are CAs really not monitoring issuance of certs by their sub-CAs for simple 
violations like this?  Does this not violate a Mozilla or CAB Forum policy? 
Should it?



On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Jeremy Rowley <jeremy.row...@digicert.com 
<mailto:jeremy.row...@digicert.com> > wrote:

Same with DigiCert.  This is a sub CA issued by Verizon.  We've reached out
to the customer to investigate why they had the issue and what they are
doing to remediate.  We will provide details once we receive them.


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.org] On Behalf Of Rick Andrews
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 11:34 AM
To: mozilla-dev-security-pol...@lists.mozilla.org 
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Subject: Re: More SHA-1 certs

On Sunday, January 31, 2016 at 9:47:53 AM UTC-8, Peter Bowen wrote:
> These are all in the last week
>
> Sub-CA under SHECA (which has applied to be in the Mozilla program)
> https://crt.sh/?id=12367776 <https://crt.sh/?id=12367776&opt=cablint> 
> &opt=cablint
>
> Sub-CA under DigiCert
> https://crt.sh/?id=12460684 <https://crt.sh/?id=12460684&opt=cablint> 
> &opt=cablint
>
> Sub-CA under Symantec
> https://crt.sh/?id=12456194 <https://crt.sh/?id=12456194&opt=cablint> 
> &opt=cablint
> https://crt.sh/?id=12434313 <https://crt.sh/?id=12434313&opt=cablint> 
> &opt=cablint

The Sub-CA under Symantec is managed by one of our customers. We've reached
out to them and we're investigating. More detail to follow.
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