On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 07:12:05AM -0800, [email protected] wrote:
> El domingo, 14 de febrero de 2016, 21:10:57 (UTC+1), Matt Palmer  escribió:
> > If so, have you complied with the next paragraph of section 8 of the BRs,
> > which states "The parties involved SHALL notify the CA/Browser Forum of the
> > facts, circumstances, and law(s) involved, so that the CA/Browser Forum may
> > revise the requirements accordingly."?
> > 
> > If you haven't, then you're acting in bad faith by attempting to selectively
> > apply the provisions of the BRs, rather than taking them as a whole in the
> > spirit which they were intended.  If you *have*, then it would be valuable
> > to summarise the deliberations of the Forum here, so that the Mozilla
> > community may evaluate the outcomes of those deliberations with regards to
> > the relevant Mozilla policies.
> 
> We don't agree about your insinuation of "acting in bad faith".

I didn't insinuate it.  I stated it outright.  If you're trying to argue
that the BRs say you have to behave in a certain way, but you're not
actually following *all* the BRs, then that's pretty much a textbook
definition of "acting in bad faith", as far as I'm concerned.

> As far as we know, it was notified at CABForum by an Spanish CA and that
> approach must be accepted because all of the Spanish CAs (included those
> who are CAB Forum members) are issuing certificates in this way.

Note that the BRs don't say, "someone" has to notify CABF.  It says *you*,
as the party that is bound to act in accordance with Section 8, must notify
CABF.  It doesn't say anything about you having to be a CABF member in order
to make said notification, so there's no exemption for you there.

> Maybe a Mozilla's representative at CAB Forum may supply additional
> information about it.

Or maybe you may, since you're the one arguing for the exception.

> > > It should be an exception to support this special feature. 
> > 
> > No, the CABF should amend the requirements to match reality, and then
> > everyone else can change their tools as a result.
> 
> Also, we don't suggest that tools must be modified for now but that an
> exception with this requirement be made, as it was suggested before: "It
> may be considered an audit qualification that says that including
> Directory Names is acceptable"

It would be better if the BRs were amended, so that the qualified audit
wasn't necessary.

Out of curiosity, though, has your auditor issued such a qualification in
the past?  Were you issuing certificates which warranted such a
qualification at the time your last audit was performed?  If so, it would
seem we have another case of an auditor not acting in a sufficiently
rigorous manner to preserve the public trust.

- Matt

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