On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Peter Bowen <pzbo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 8:00 AM, Richard Barnes <rbar...@mozilla.com>
> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Gervase Markham <g...@mozilla.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> This helpful spreadsheet shows that they were removed in Firefox 47 and
> >> 51 respectively:
> >> https://mozillacaprogram.secure.force.com/CA/RemovedCACertificateReport
> >> Although Firefox 51 was only released yesterday, so that's a bit
> >> concerning.
> >>
> >
> > Indeed, if they issued these before yesterday, this seems like a problem.
>
> I'm a little surprised to read this.  This SHA-1 "private" hierarchy
> is not new news and has been discussed in various forums over the year
> or 18 months. At least one other CA operator has a similar hierarchy
> that is chained back to a root formerly in the Mozilla trust store.
>
> I was under the impression Mozilla knew about this from the SHA-1
> exceptions discussions, as one of the topics there has been "why can't
> they use the SHA-1 certs from the pulled roots?"
>

If the root was removed in Firefox 51, and they were issuing SHA-1 off of
it before 51 shipped, then they were issuing SHA-1 certificates under a
root trusted by Firefox.

You can use SHA-1 under a pulled root, but it has to actually be pulled
first.

--Richard


>
> Thanks,
> Peter
>
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