On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 11:14 PM Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy <
[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Gervase Markham via
> dev-security-policy <[email protected]> wrote:
> > As we continue to consider how best to react to the most recent incident
> > involving Symantec, and given that there is a question of whether it is
> > part of a pattern of behaviour, it seemed best to produce an issues list
> > as we did with WoSign. This means Symantec has proper opportunity to
> > respond to issues raised and those responses can be documented in one
> > place and the clearest overayll picture can be seen by the community.
> >
> > So I have prepared:
> > https://wiki.mozilla.org/CA:Symantec_Issues
> >
> > I will now be dropping Symantec an email asking them to begin the
> > process of providing whatever comment, factual correction or input they
> > feel appropriate.
> >
> > If anyone in this group feels they have an issue which it is appropriate
> > to add to the list, please send me email with the details.
>
> Gerv,
>
> I'm afraid that Issue V: RA Program Audit Issues (2013 or earlier -
> January 2017) has confused RAs with subordinate CAs.
>
> According to
> https://bug1334377.bmoattachments.org/attachment.cgi?id=8843448,
> Symantec has indicated that they have (had) four unconstrained third
> party RAs: CrossCert, Certisign, Certisur, and Certsuperior.  These
> appear to fall into what the BRs call "Delegated Third Parties".  No
> audit report seems to mention any issue with these RAs.
>
> Separately Symantec owned CAs have issued CA-certificates to several
> CAs that are not operated by Symantec.  These appear to include at
> least Apple, Google, the US Government, Aetna, and Unicredit.  The
> audit reports linked from Issue V appear to have qualifications
> regarding these CA-certificates.
>
> There are notable differences between third party owned CAs and third
> party operated RAs and the difference should be clearly noted.
>
> Thanks,
> Peter
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Both
https://www.symantec.com/content/en/us/about/media/repository/GeoTrust-WTBR-2015.pdf
(Finding number 3) and
https://www.symantec.com/content/en/us/about/media/repository/symantec-webtrust-audit-report.pdf
(Finding number 1) call out Delegated Third Parties as lacking audits. This
is called out separately from the matters related to sub-CAs, as
"Furthermore".

Given that at least some of the sub-CAs possessed and provided audits to
Symantec, it does not seem to support your summary, but perhaps your point
was misunderstood?
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