On Wed, Dec 06, 2023 at 01:27:02PM +0000, Peter Gutmann wrote:
> Filippo Valsorda <[email protected]> writes:
> >I am not sure what you mean by key continuity being adopted for PKI use
> 
> I meant the use of certificate pinning, so trusting the known-good cert you've
> seen before and, like SSH when a key changes, triggering an alert if it
> changes.

Trusting a *cert* you've seen before and popping up a warning when it
changes seems like an absolutely terribad idea, given certs are designed to
expire.  Trusting the *key* underlying the cert, and having the user perform
an action when the key changes, is arguably better (at least keys don't
*have* to change, by Root Store policy, on a regular basis) but the closest
thing to that I can think of to that is HPKP[1], but that's not a TOFU key
scheme, but is instead the site declaring which key(s) are valid for itself. 
When has "true" cert/key TOFU been deployed in a WebPKI context?

- Matt

[1] which Chrome nuked some years ago, IE, Edge, and Safari never
implemented, and which is default-off in Firefox, according to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Public_Key_Pinning

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