Gervase Markham wrote:
Ben Bucksch wrote:
In fact, I'm not sure there *can* be that kind of metadata. Anything
that declares AOL or PayPal as "safe" is failure of the system :).
[Leaving aside the discussion of whether "safe" is the right term...]
Really? I've never heard of either company stealing people's money.
I have.
AOL is known to not let subscribers cancel, but just to continue drawing
money. There have been tons of reliable reports for that, both in US and
Germany.
PayPal randomly freezes accounts without good reason and won't react or
solve for months, many reports on that. They completely ignore it when
your account gets robbed without your fault. See what happened to the
AbiWord project below.
And that's not even starting with things like that they are taking
ridiculous amounts of money for e.g. currency conversion, way above what
banks ask for, etc.pp.. You end up with considerably less money than you
have been sent, even when considering the fees you've been told when
signing up.
* Paypal Warning <http://www.paypalwarning.com>
* NoPayPal <http://www.nopaypal.com/>
* AboutPaypal - Class action, court cases <http://www.aboutpaypal.org>
* What happened to AbiWord
<http://www.abisource.com/mailinglists/abiword-dev/02/Oct/0422.html>
* Paypal Victims Club <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nopal-paypal/>
If any website can be declared "safe" in any sense, then a legitimate
bank or Paypal must fall into that category.
There's a *huge* difference between a legitimate bank and PayPal, that's
the problem with PayPal. In fact, some argue that PayPal's business is
illegal exactly for that reason (PayPal acting as bank, but not
fulfilling the law requirements for banks).
They may take it off you in accordance with their agreement you made
with them, and you may think that's unfair, but that's an entirely
different thing.
No, that's the point, disagree. If they write "we'll take 50% of any
money you have in your account, on every Friday the 13.", and only tell
me so somewhere deep in 20 pages of fine print, that's "in accordance
with their agreement", but it's still stealing money from me. Some of
PayPal's rules come close to being as ridiculous as my mockup rule above.
That company should *not* be marked "safe to do business with" in the
browser, because PayPal simply *is* not safe. That may mean we can't
mark any company as "safe", but that was my point.
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