[I'm trying to catch up on these threads, my apologies for the delay. I don't have time to respond to every message, unfortunately.]

Ian G wrote:
If that was true, there would likely be an agreement between Mozilla
and Verisign (following the above RPA tradition) explicitly giving
Mozilla permission to RELY.

I'm not Mozilla, so I guess we have to ask:  Frank, is there any
such agreement that explicitly gives Mozilla permission to RELY?

We (Mozilla Foundation) do not sign explicit agreements with CAs regarding inclusion of root certificates, and never have to my knowledge. Whether our dealings with CAs result in an implicit contract/agreement is a question that (as a non-lawyer) I'm not prepared to express an opinion on.

Whether it's a good idea to have such agreements in future is an open question, and I don't have any useful thoughts on it right now. However I will say that in terms of our ongoing relationship with our users, at least for Firefox, the relevant legal framework will be that outlined by Harvey Anderson (general counsel for the Mozilla Corporation) in his series of blog posts at <http://lockshot.wordpress.com/>. Any explicit agreements with CAs would have to be consistent with that framework.

Frank

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