You're quoting me, but in the interest of community harmony I yield to another who may like to clarify.
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:32 PM, John Vines <[email protected]> wrote: > The majority of the reasoning I read in the bylaws thread justifying why > bylaw changes should be majority and not consensus seemed to spiral around > "We don't want someone to be able to torpedo the vote". Can someone who > held this opinion clarify why this is unacceptable for a bylaw change but > acceptable for adopting a new code base, a new committer, a new pmc member, > or a new pmc chair? Primarily I was looking at these compared to bylaw > changes when I made decided that bylaws should have the same level of > approval. I feel that having these items as consensus by bylaws as majority > seems inconsistent. > > Furthermore, by having the bylaw changes at a lower level of agreement, it > provides a work around for a bare minimum majority to change the bylaws to > allow these actions to occur with said bare minimum majority. > > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Sean Busbey <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > -1 > > > > I don't think there's been sufficient discussion on this. Also, I agree > > with Mike back in the previous thread. The norm is for Apache to use > > Majority Vote for procedural changes and I'd prefer we follow suite. I > have > > faith that our community can build consensus in a reasonable amount of > > time, but sometimes you just need to take a reckoning and move on. > > > > > > -Sean > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Bill Havanki <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > > -1 > > > > > > My opinion on this is overly well known. > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Corey Nolet <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Christopher <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Christopher L Tubbs II > > > > > http://gravatar.com/ctubbsii > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 11:33 AM, David Medinets > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 11:21 AM, John Vines <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> This is a proposal to change the Bylaw Change action in the > bylaws > > > > from > > > > > >> Majority Approval to Consensus Approval. This is being requested > > > > because > > > > > >> Bylaw changes are a major change to the project and all > discussion > > > > > should > > > > > >> be able to be had without a borderline majority being able to > > force > > > > > things > > > > > >> through. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Specifically, it is the following line which shall be changed > > > > > >> Modifying BylawsModifying this document.Majority approvalActive > > PMC > > > > > >> members7 > > > > > >> to > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Modifying BylawsModifying this document.Consensus approvalActive > > PMC > > > > > >> members > > > > > >> 7 > > > > > >> > > > > > >> The current bylaws are visible at > > > > > >> > > > > > >> http://accumulo.apache.org/bylaws.html > > > > > >> > > > > > >> This vote will be open for 7 days, until 11 April 2014, 15:20 > UTC. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Upon successful completion of this vote, the first line of the > > > > document > > > > > >> body > > > > > >> will be replaced with "This is version 2 of the bylaws," ( or > > "This > > > is > > > > > >> version 3 of the bylaws," if the vote to change Code Changes > > passes) > > > > and > > > > > >> the aforementioned line will be changed from Majority Approval > to > > > > > Consensus > > > > > >> Approval. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> This vote requires majority approval to pass: at least 3 +1 > votes > > > and > > > > > more > > > > > >> +1 > > > > > >> than -1's. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> [ ] +1 - "I approve of these proposed bylaw changes and accept > > them > > > > for > > > > > >> the Apache Accumulo project." > > > > > >> [ ] +0 - "I neither approve nor disapprove of these proposed > bylaw > > > > > changes, > > > > > >> but accept them for the Apache Accumulo project." > > > > > >> [ ] -1 - "I do not approve of these proposed bylaw changes and > do > > > not > > > > > >> accept them for the Apache Accumulo project because..." > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Thank you. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > // Bill Havanki > > > // Solutions Architect, Cloudera Govt Solutions > > > // 443.686.9283 > > > > > > -- // Bill Havanki // Solutions Architect, Cloudera Govt Solutions // 443.686.9283
