On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Sean Busbey <[email protected]> wrote:
> Bill, Keith, > > What already committed development in the 1.4.6 line do you find compelling > for a release? > Good point. I just took a quick look in Jira and I do not see anything that I think is compelling ATM. Would not want to release as is. > > Is there a different tag name we can use as a place holder for "look here > if you want to work with the last of the 1.4.x development" that you think > will be clearer for users? (and presumably not quite so long as that quoted > expression) > I am leaning towards Christophers suggestion of not having a tag and recording the commit hash on the mailing list. > > -Sean > > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Keith Turner <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I agree. Having a final 1.4.6 release and not creating a 1.4.7-SNAPSHOT > > branch seems like the path of least confusion. > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Bill Havanki <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > > +1 > > > > > > Having a plain "1.4.6" release would be nice (I don't like the "-eol" > > tag), > > > but I'm fine with any other plan that closes out 1.4 with a modicum of > > > clarity for users - for example, a tag off which someone could fork and > > > carry on development if they care to. > > > > > > I can assist with adjusting the site after EOL with moving doc links > etc. > > > > > > Bill H > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Sean Busbey <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Christopher! > > > > > > > > Responses inline > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 12:50 AM, Christopher <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > -1 > > > > > > > > > > Summary: > > > > > > > > > > Overall, in favor, but... > > > > > 1. Confusing tag name > > > > > 2. Alt. Option 1: just drop the active dev branch, no tag > > > > > 3. Alt. Option 2: just closeout 1.4 with a quiet administrative > 1.4.6 > > > > > source release > > > > > 4. Voting under "release" rules is invalid without signed release > > > > artifacts > > > > > > > > > > Exposition: > > > > > > > > > > Overall, I'm in favor of EOL'ing 1.4.x, but I'm not sure what an > > > > > "1.4.6-eol" tag in SCM would mean to users. The "-eol" suffix > > couldn't > > > > > really be documented anywhere for users to understand how that > would > > > > > differ from an actual release/tagged version, for users browsing > the > > > > > SCM tags. I understand a tag is not a release, but to a user, that > > may > > > > > not be clear. It's also very confusing, because it does look like > an > > > > > updated release... it has a 1-up version number over the last > release > > > > > (1.4.5), after all. That's very confusing. > > > > > > > > > > To alleviate the confusion, it may be better to call it "1.4-eol" > or > > > > > something else to indicate that it's not a newer release than 1.4.5 > > > > > (it's not a release at all). > > > > > > > > > > An alternative option to the 1.4.6-eol tag: just drop the > > > > > development/planning branch. (This is the option that was exercised > > > > > when this decision was made for 1.3.x). All the relevant code is > > > > > merged to newer branches anyway, and the outstanding work planned > for > > > > > a future 1.4.6 which will never come to pass is not useful to tag > > > > > distinctly. Besides, the HEAD commit of 1.4.6-SNAPSHOT will be > around > > > > > indefinitely, as it's merged to master, so we could achieve a > similar > > > > > purpose by simply noting its current HEAD commit > > > > > [5bd4465c433860624091b0d97892e02f58154e7a] in a message to the > > mailing > > > > > lists, for archival purposes. > > > > > > > > > > Another option: do an actual release vote on a signed 1.4.6 source > > > > > artifact. It wouldn't be hard to pass, since 1.4.5 passed, and the > > > > > current state of the branch isn't substantively different. We could > > > > > just call this an administrative release... no need for release > > > > > announcements and such, but it would clear up the name confusion. > > > > > 1.4.6 would be an actual thing at that point, voted on and approved > > > > > for release. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would really like to avoid doing a 1.4.6 release unless someone > both > > > > feels strongly about the need and is also willing to shepherd through > > the > > > > testing process. The issues closed against it to date don't add > > > > substantively to the 1.4.5 release enough to justify the time > > investment > > > in > > > > testing, IMHO. > > > > > > > > I would be fine with either dropping the tag entirely or using > > something > > > > like 1.4-eol. I am inclined to have a tag we can refer to in any > > > > announcements, because they are easier to deal with for casual > > > developers. > > > > > > > > Presuming no one wants to volunteer to handle a 1.4.6 release, could > we > > > > handle the tag naming as a follow-on action since it is just a code > > > change? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, I'm concerned that this is being treated as though it were a > > > > > release vote. A release vote requires signed release artifacts: > > > > > http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#what > > > > > http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#approving-a-release > > > > > > > > > > You can't issue a vote under our rules for releasing without > > providing > > > > > release artifacts on which to vote. While it may still be valid to > > > > > have a similar voting mechanism for this kind of thing, what you're > > > > > proposing is certainly not a release vote. And given that I can see > > > > > arguments for treating it as a release plan cancellation[majority], > > > > > though... or code change[lazy consensus]... or even adoption of new > > > > > code base[consensus], I think the bylaws may need some > clarification > > > > > on EOL procedures/voting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My apologies for the lack of clarity. I only meant the phrasing > "treat > > > like > > > > a release vote" to convey the relative importance I give the topic > and > > to > > > > offer some reasoning on why I was looking for stronger committer > buy-in > > > > than simple lazy approval. I did not mean to imply that this actually > > *is > > > > a* release vote. > > > > > > > > I agree that the bylaws as they stand could use clarification on EOL. > > > > However, I think planning would go smoother for our users if we > > > > incorporated EOL timing and procedures into a defined lifecycle for > > major > > > > versions rather than leaving it as an independent voting action. > Since > > > this > > > > is part of a larger, more involved topic would you be fine with > having > > it > > > > handled as a part of our discussions around the 2.0.0 version change > > > rather > > > > than tying up the sunset of 1.4? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Sean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > // Bill Havanki > > > // Solutions Architect, Cloudera Govt Solutions > > > // 443.686.9283 > > > > > > > > > -- > Sean >
