+1 On Apr 3, 2013, at 10:28 PM, Jon Anstey wrote: > Nothing really wrong with having 2 different distros. It's just simpler IMO > to have one set of files to manage and get right, rather than testing 2 > different sets of files. > > Full disclosure: I'm making this change as part of JBoss Fuse > http://fusesource.com/issues/browse/ENTMQ-262 so its not really a > requirement here at Apache. Just would make my life easier :-) > > Cheers, > Jon > > > On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Hiram Chirino <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I guess I just don't understand what's wrong with having 2 different >> distros. >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Jon Anstey <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Jim, >>> >>> Yeah, its does add stuff to each distribution but its a really small >>> difference. Less than 1MB in either case IIRC. Guess we don't HAVE to >> make >>> this change, but I'm still for it :-) Anyone else have a preference >> either >>> way? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Jon >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Jim Gomes <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Jon, >>>> >>>> That's true. I don't use Wordpad, but it is an option. >>>> >>>> However, I'm still leaning against this change for other reasons. I >> like >>>> having leaner distributions. By combining everything, the Windows >>>> distribution will now grow to include the 32-bit and 64-bit Linux, plus >>> the >>>> MacOS files. Likewise, the Linux distribution will get the Windows and >>>> MacOS files. From a packaging perspective, I get what's being >>> recommended. >>>> It's much simpler. However, from a deployment perspective, it's >>>> introducing cruft. I'm not sure the trade-off is worth it. >>>> >>>> Full disclosure: I maintain a custom WiX installation script for my >>> company >>>> that repackages the ZIP file into a Windows MSI, so this change would >> not >>>> really have a direct impact on me. I cherry pick out the files (and >> add >>> in >>>> some more) that we want to install. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Jon Anstey <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Jim, >>>>> >>>>> Wordpad understands unix line endings so that can be used in those >>>>> production situations. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Jon >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Jim Gomes <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The only drawback is that a lot of the time you can't put your >>> favorite >>>>> dev >>>>>> tools on a production machine, and you are stuck with using Notepad >>> to >>>>> edit >>>>>> config files. >>>>>> >>>>>> -1 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 6:06 AM, Christian Posta >>>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> +1 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Timothy Bish < >>> [email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> +1 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just use nix line endings and those masochists using notepad >> will >>>>>> likely >>>>>>>> enjoy the added pain. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 03/28/2013 11:56 AM, Jon Anstey wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Right now, the zip and tar.gz distros contain different >> scripts >>>> and >>>>>> libs >>>>>>>>> depending on the platform: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [janstey@bender tmp]$ diff -w -r apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip >>>>>>>>> apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar >>>>>>>>> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: activemq-admin.bat >>>>>>>>> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: activemq.bat >>>>>>>>> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: diag >>>>>>>>> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: linux-x86-32 >>>>>>>>> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: linux-x86-64 >>>>>>>>> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_tar/bin: macosx >>>>>>>>> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: win32 >>>>>>>>> Only in apache-activemq-5.8.0_zip/bin: win64 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm proposing having a single ActiveMQ packaging script that >>>>> produces >>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> zip >>>>>>>>> and tar.gz with the same contents. Other Apache projects do >> this >>>>>>> already: >>>>>>>>> CXF, Maven, ... So, we'd essentially be testing the same kit >> on >>>> all >>>>>>>>> platforms, which makes things simpler I think. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Opened a ticket here >>>>> https://issues.apache.org/**jira/browse/AMQ-4414 >>>>>> < >>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AMQ-4414>and >>>>>>>>> also a pull request so folks could try it out if they want. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/**activemq/pull/2< >>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/activemq/pull/2> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> One noticeable thing missing in this scheme are Windows line >>>> endings >>>>>> on >>>>>>>>> shared things like properties files and config, but I think we >>> can >>>>>> live >>>>>>>>> with that. Hopefully most Windows devs have better text >> editors >>>> than >>>>>>>>> notepad :-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Tim Bish >>>>>>>> Sr Software Engineer | RedHat Inc. >>>>>>>> [email protected] | www.fusesource.com | www.redhat.com >>>>>>>> skype: tabish121 | twitter: @tabish121 >>>>>>>> blog: http://timbish.blogspot.com/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> *Christian Posta* >>>>>>> http://www.christianposta.com/blog >>>>>>> twitter: @christianposta >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Jon >>>>> --------------- >>>>> Red Hat, Inc. >>>>> Email: [email protected] >>>>> Web: http://redhat.com >>>>> Twitter: jon_anstey >>>>> Blog: http://janstey.blogspot.com >>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://manning.com/ibsen >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cheers, >>> Jon >>> --------------- >>> Red Hat, Inc. >>> Email: [email protected] >>> Web: http://redhat.com >>> Twitter: jon_anstey >>> Blog: http://janstey.blogspot.com >>> Author of Camel in Action: http://manning.com/ibsen >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> ** >> >> *Hiram Chirino* >> >> *Engineering | Red Hat, Inc.* >> >> *[email protected] <[email protected]> | fusesource.com | redhat.com* >> >> *skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino< >> http://twitter.com/hiramchirino> >> * >> >> *blog: Hiram Chirino's Bit Mojo <http://hiramchirino.com/blog/>* >> > > > > -- > Cheers, > Jon > --------------- > Red Hat, Inc. > Email: [email protected] > Web: http://redhat.com > Twitter: jon_anstey > Blog: http://janstey.blogspot.com > Author of Camel in Action: http://manning.com/ibsen
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