Let's get the discussion back on track and try to reach some consensus.
Without the hawt.io community donating the relevant ActiveMQ portions to
the ASF we will not be able to get a consensus around proposal #3. Thus,
that needs to be taken off the table.
We have users specifically asking to retain the console. We also have
people who have stepped up and volunteered to help enhancing the
existing console. Thus, option #1 is off the table.
This leaves #2 and #4. Out of the two, #4 is the status quo and has more
support. The remaining question is if we want two distros or not?
Cheers,
Hadrian
On 01/22/2014 04:47 PM, James Carman wrote:
This whole "then we shouldn't use any 3rd party libraries" argument is
getting old, Hiram. You know there's a difference between using a
library behind the scenes and the entire web console itself that the
users interact with directly. Come on, man. Give it up.
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Hiram Chirino <hi...@hiramchirino.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
That’s completely BS. If I download “activemq-###.tar.gz” from ActiveMQ’s
website and I run the startup scripts and such that are documented in that
bundle and I find a problem that directly pertains to ActiveMQ, I COMPLETELY
expect to be able to go to ActiveMQ’s JIRA and log an issue. I also completely
expect to be able to do a “git clone” of ActiveMQ’s repo, diagnose the problem,
and submit a patch back to ActiveMQ.
If this is true then we should not be using ANY 3rd party libs at all.
Most users cannot tell where the line is between 3rd party libs and
ActiveMQ's source. The ActiveMQ project is ultimately responsible for
all functionality shipped (if its 3rd party or not). If it's a 3rd
party defect then the ActiveMQ project needs to either work around the
defect, patch the defect in the 3rd party library or work with the 3rd
party to fix the defect. All 3 approaches are possible with hawtio
too.
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