As John Says, lets run it past legal, if they are happy that what is
shipped is ok then lets leave as is, if not, then make it an optional
(as in it takes a flag/explicit) choice at create time.
John, how do we do this?
On 24/12/15 00:25, Daniel Kulp wrote:
On Dec 23, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Hiram Chirino <[email protected]> wrote:
-1 that seems silly. There is no legal reason to do that and it gives our
users a worse experience out of the box.
Giving our users the information they would need to make it perform better is
giving them a worse experience?
Dan
On Wednesday, December 23, 2015, John D. Ament <[email protected]>
wrote:
+1 for a prompt on broker creation.
It could even include a prompt, say "No libaio detected, to make your
Artemis server faster please install libaio and {do necessary step to
enable in broker}" but if it is installed, just prompt/given flag.
John
On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 5:07 PM Daniel Kulp <[email protected]
<javascript:;>> wrote:
On Dec 23, 2015, at 4:55 PM, Andy Taylor <[email protected]
<javascript:;>> wrote:
I Guess it depends on what they mean by enabled. If the user has to
explicitly install it then to me it's optional. Saying that if it's
installed by default on the OS you could argue the opposite.
The issue with the is that the user may not even know if they have it
installed or not. For example, on my two gentoo linux boxes, one has
it
installed and one doesn’t. I have no idea why the one that has it
installed has it. With the package management and such, something I
installed there some time in the past must have caused it to install.
(likely mysql)
We could change the cli to prompt for a choice at create time.
That would certainly work.
Dan
On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 21:41 Daniel Kulp <[email protected] <javascript:;>>
wrote:
On Dec 23, 2015, at 4:07 PM, John D. Ament <[email protected]
<javascript:;>>
wrote:
Are you referring to the bin or src distribution?
Kind of both…
By removing the binary from the src distribution, that covers that
case.
The user would have to cd into the appropriate directory and
explicitly
run the “make” or whatever to build the binary. It’s an explicit
choice
they make. Thus, I’m completely OK with that now.
The bin distribution is still an issue. If the default was to not
use
the libaio at all unless the user either edited a config file to
enable
it
or pass a command line flag or similar to take explicit action, I’d be
OK
there as well. The new wording on the legal pages is completely
confusing. The original suggested wording in:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-54
makes so much more sense:
"However, projects may use LGPL licensed works in optional features
that
are not enabled by default.”
Dan
On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 4:05 PM Daniel Kulp <[email protected]
<javascript:;>> wrote:
Question: If I grab Artemis 1.1.0 tarbal/zip and start up the broker
“out
of the box”, does it use libaio or not? If I specifically have to
configure something (pass a flag, edit a config file, etc…) to
enable
use
if the LGPL library, then fine. However, if it’s something that
occurs
completely automatically without the user even knowing that it’s
occurring,
then I have a major problem with it. It needs to be something that
the
user has to explicitly CHOOSE to use.
Dan
On Dec 23, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Clebert Suconic <
[email protected] <javascript:;>>
wrote:
also, there has also been questions about it during the donation
process.. licenses reviewed.. etc.. so I don't think we need to
open
a
new discussions over this. the binary inclusion on the source was
something that was fixed now.
The dependency on libaio on the C code is through through dynamic
linked library, and is the same as any C code depending on libc or
gcc.
On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Clebert Suconic
<[email protected] <javascript:;>> wrote:
On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 1:55 PM, John D. Ament <
[email protected] <javascript:;>
wrote:
Just wondering, does anyone plan to raise the LGPL question w/
legal
discuss? If we're waiting for the new year to do the next
release,
would
be good to at least start the discussion.
We had such discussion long ago with legal. I couldn't find that
email
on my inbox but we specifically asked questions about it. We were
ok
as I remember. Maybe someone else (Martyn?) will have it on their
inboxes. For that reason I don't want to go over the same issue we
had
asked before.
The use of libaio is optional anyways and the system works as
expected. what also covers other questions we had here on this
thread.
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