+1 to Patrick's point. I love the idea.

Thanks,
Ken

On Tue, Dec 10, 2024 at 9:40 AM Patrick Deasy <pa-de...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> As a new contributor I'm in favour of this design process. It helps folks
> that are new to the project get critical feedback early before shooting off
> in the wrong direction. It also allows more experienced members to
> influence the design early and ensure it stays consistent with previous
> practices.
>
> Patrick
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jean-Baptiste Onofré <j...@nanthrax.net>
> Sent: Tuesday 10 December 2024 08:59
> To: dev@activemq.apache.org <dev@activemq.apache.org>
> Subject: [PROPOSAL] Discussing design/proposals process
>
> Hi folks,
>
> We recently discussed several proposals (SemVer in ActiveMQ, new
> Jakarta Message 3 support in Classic, upgrade Artemis minimum Java
> version, ...).
>
> I would like to propose a "process" to:
> - discuss "long" designs
> - track proposals
> - facilitate collaborative contributions
>
> The process proposal is the following:
> - the contributors work on a design proposal. This document should:
>    a. provide a rationale and what problems are solved
>    b. provide abstract design with context
>    c. clearly describe design options with implementations details
> (optionally pseudo code)
>   The document is a Google Document, where anyone can comment.
> - the Google Document link is attached to the corresponding Jira. The
> Jira should have the "proposal" tag.
> - the Google Document link is sent to the dev mailing list (with a
> quick description of the proposal)
> - If needed, the Google Document "leader" can schedule a meeting
> (Google Meet) to discuss details and clarify design options. This
> meeting should be recorded (or at least notes should be taken). The
> design document should be updated after the meeting, and the meeting
> notes should be shared either to update the design document or on the
> dev mailing list.
>
> It's a process used in several Apache projects (Apache Iceberg, Apache
> Polaris, Apache Arrow, ...) and it works pretty fine.
>
> Thanks to that:
> 1. we can track all proposals Jira we have (basically populated our
> roadmap)
> 2. before implementing, we can collaborate on design using the Google
> Document
> 3. we should have a better collaboration, especially on complex
> design/implementation
>
> For instance, I would like to illustrate the process with Jakarta
> Messaging 3.1 Shared Subscription. We know this feature is not trivial
> and requires a clean design before rushing on the code/implementation.
> So, we can start with a design Google Document, attached to
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AMQ-8323 and send the design
> document on the dev mailing list.
> Then, we start contributing to the document, adding comments with
> questions or suggestions.
> The purpose is to reach a consensus on the design before actually
> starting the implementation.
>
> Thoughts ?
>
> Regards
> JB
>
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