I think we should add the data lake(Delta Lake, Hudi or Iceberg) to the
stack for the next release and OLAP(ClickHouse or Doris) for
future releases.

吴治国 <[email protected]> 于2022年8月17日周三 15:20写道:

> Hi Jun,
>
> Sorry I miss some details here.
>
> After we move Bigtop Ambari MPack to Ambari side, it's no longer a
> management-pack[1] for Ambari.
> It'll be the default stack[2] which will replace HDP while compiling[3],
> also, we can remove MPack code on Bigtop side[4], you can find old version
> of bigtop stack in Ambari release 2.7.6[5].
>
> The reason I bring up Frontend Refactor is that the framework is outdated,
> which cause it difficult to add new features, it also has compiled issue in
> China, but the work won't be done in release 2.8.0, we can discuss in the
> future.
>
> In addition, the development of components provided by Bigtop 3.2.0 is
> almost done[6], I think we only need three more components(Flink, Spark3
> and Phoenix, maybe Alluxio also needed?) to prepare the next release, but
> there are some code still need to be updated after Bigtop provide the
> packages with prefix in the installation path(which is important for stack
> upgrade).
>
> Best Regards,
> Zhiguo Wu
>
> [1]: https://github.com/apache/ambari/tree/trunk/contrib/management-packs
> [2]:
> https://github.com/apache/ambari/tree/trunk/ambari-server/src/main/resources/stacks
> [3]: https://github.com/apache/ambari/blob/trunk/pom.xml#L90
> [4]:
> https://github.com/apache/bigtop/tree/master/bigtop-packages/src/common/bigtop-ambari-mpack
> [5]:
> https://github.com/apache/ambari/tree/release-2.7.6/ambari-server/src/main/resources/stacks
> [6]:
> https://github.com/apache/bigtop/tree/master/bigtop-packages/src/common/bigtop-ambari-mpack/bgtp-ambari-mpack/src/main/resources/stacks/BGTP/1.0/services
>
> > On Aug 17, 2022, at 11:08, Jun HE <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > I agree with "1. Fix some security problems by upgrading Spring Framework
> > and others".Security is important and we can use this as a ramp-up as the
> > community is gradually bringing everything in Ambari back on track, like
> PR
> > review, CI jobs,...
> >
> > For other things like "frontend refactor", it would be good to have more
> > inputs on existing issues/limitations before we decide to "refactor".
> > For the mpack part, my understanding is that "management packs" is a
> > framework that allows different stack vendors to provide a compatible
> stack
> > that can be maintained and operated by Ambari. There could be minor
> > differences between different vendors. So the definition like
> > path/repo/name etc should be the vendor's decision instead of being
> defined
> > by Ambari. I would suggest leaving the mpack related work to a certain
> > community, for example, Bigtop, and Ambari just review and accept their
> PR
> > just for the user's convenience.
> >
> > Just my 2 cents. And happy to learn any comments.
> >
> > 吴治国 <[email protected]> 于2022年8月16日周二 17:50写道:
> >
> >> Hi community,
> >>
> >> In my original idea, I was planning to provide Bigtop3.1.0 + Ambari2.7.5
> >> for users at first, and keep all big changes in Ambari2.8.0, e.g.
> >> 1、Fix some security problems by upgrading Spring Framework and others
> >> 2、Frontend refactor
> >> 3、Upgrade python version
> >> etc.
> >>
> >> All these changes will take long time, which may be bad for the release
> >> cycle of Ambari itself.
> >> So I'm considering we can move Mpack development to Ambari side, and
> 2.8.0
> >> is all about Bigtop stack, move other big changes to next major
> >> version(except the security problem, which absolutely need to be fixed
> in
> >> next release).
> >>
> >> But we need to make final decision for the things we discussed before,
> >> like,
> >> 1、Add prefix to installation path(/usr/bigtop)
> >> 2、Which repo to store the packages(with prefix in installation path)?
> >> 3、Related name(Stack name: BIGTOP, scripts: conf-select, distro-select,
> >> bigtop-select are all ok for me)?
> >> Any other things I forgot?
> >>
> >> What’s your opinion?
> >>
> >> Best Regards,
> >> Zhiguo Wu
> >>
> >> On 2022/06/23 06:26:44 "Battula, Brahma Reddy" wrote:
> >>>
> >>> IMO, First way is not heavier when we consider all the efforts for
> mpack
> >> with upgrades. And first one is easiest to adopt now.
> >>>
> >>> We'll start discussing the bigtop mailing list further.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 21/06/22, 1:11 PM, "吴治国" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>    Thanks for the details, Brahma and Kengo.
> >>>
> >>>    If I understand it correctly, there are two approaches under
> >> discussion:
> >>>
> >>>    1、Prepare to release 2.7.7, in this version, we won't use HDP
> >> components anymore, we'll replace it with the community version
> provided by
> >> Bigtop, and update RPM and DEB build scripts provided by Bigtop, change
> the
> >> installation path so hdp-select can be reused. (Due to component version
> >> changes, I don't know if the code under /stacks needs to be updated)
> >>>    2、Develop Bigtop mpack for Ambari 2.7.5, we don't need to change
> >> Ambari's code (if the code under /stacks can be reused in the first way,
> >> maybe it also works in this way?)
> >>>
> >>>    Isn't the workload of the first way heavier?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>    About the meeting
> >>>
> >>>    I thought maybe email discussion would be better?
> >>>    The discussion can be open for a few days and all interested people
> >> in the community can participate, not just a few of us.
> >>>    And due to time zone and language issues, many people are hard to
> >> attending the meetings, email discussions may be more suitable for these
> >> people.
> >>>
> >>>    What do you think?
> >>>
> >>>    Best Regards,
> >>>    Zhiguo Wu
> >>>
> >>>> On Jun 20, 2022, at 23:15, Battula, Brahma Reddy
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Assuming the understanding above is correct, my new concerns are:
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, Hope we'll in same page now. Still we can discuss in weekly
> >> call.
> >>>>
> >>>>>> * Can we still call it as "HDP"? Doesn't it infringe Cloudera's
> >> trademark?
> >>>>>> If so, should we give a new stack name to it, as you mentioned as
> >>>>>> planA in [3]?
> >>>>>> (or it makes upgrading HDP cluster difficult? I don't understand
> >> it so much)
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, it may be. Hence I introduced the planA and preferred it. one
> >> more idea(bad) came in my mind that can we treat "HDP: Hadoop Data
> >> Platform", not sure whether it should be ok or not(and we might not
> >> delivering as distro's).
> >>>>
> >>>>>> * It may be a bit tough work to fix Bigtop's build scripts so
> >> that its
> >>>>>> artifacts match Ambari's requirements.
> >>>>>> (package versioning, file layouts, included and not included
> >> files,
> >>>>>> file permissions, user/group creation, etc.)
> >>>>
> >>>> Only paths matter right everything else can be re-used from the
> >> hdp-select.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 20/06/22, 8:13 PM, "Kengo Seki" <[email protected] <
> >> [email protected]>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for the elaboration Brahma, but I'm a bit confused.
> >>>> At this point, my understanding is as follows. Are these correct?
> >>>>
> >>>> * In the 2.7.x line, we'll still use a stack definition based on
> >> HDP's one [1].
> >>>>
> >>>> * But regarding RPM and DEB packages, we'll build them from source
> >> by leveraging
> >>>> Bigtop's build scripts and publish them on the ASF distribution
> >> site
> >>>> or somewhere.
> >>>> repoinfo.xml [2] will also be fixed to point that repository.
> >>>>
> >>>> Assuming the understanding above is correct, my new concerns are:
> >>>>
> >>>> * Can we still call it as "HDP"? Doesn't it infringe Cloudera's
> >> trademark?
> >>>> If so, should we give a new stack name to it, as you mentioned as
> >>>> planA in [3]?
> >>>> (or it makes upgrading HDP cluster difficult? I don't understand
> >> it so much)
> >>>>
> >>>> * It may be a bit tough work to fix Bigtop's build scripts so that
> >> its
> >>>> artifacts match Ambari's requirements.
> >>>> (package versioning, file layouts, included and not included files,
> >>>> file permissions, user/group creation, etc.)
> >>>> I'm not sure if it's faster than developing Mpack.
> >>>>
> >>>> [1]:
> >>
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> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Kengo Seki <[email protected] <[email protected]>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 8:05 PM Battula, Brahma Reddy
> >>>> <[email protected] <[email protected]>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We'll not use the HDP Packages (Only selects we'll use from hdp,
> >> which can be plugged in bigtop). Still we'll use opensource packages and
> >> bigtop to create the RPM's and selects.
> >>>>> Just we can use the source tar balls opensource components(e.g
> >> Hadoop-3.2.3 source tarballs from apache repo) and build rpm's and
> publish
> >> in following repo. Or from the apache github repo's.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
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> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Planning to have sync up call on this week, once it's finalize,
> >> we can summarise here the approach. What do you think..?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 20/06/22, 4:06 PM, "Kengo Seki" <[email protected] <
> >> [email protected]>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for the reply, Brahma!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> We'll use following repo, how other components in Apache are
> >> hosted.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Using that site for distribution has no problem. My concern is,
> >> do we
> >>>>> have the source tree for building HDP packages and does it still
> >> work
> >>>>> without the artifacts behind the paywall?
> >>>>> According to ASF's release policy [1], we must publish the
> >>>>> corresponding source releases whenever we publish binary
> >> artifacts,
> >>>>> such as RPM and DEB packages for HDP.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [1]:
> >>
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> >>
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> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kengo Seki <[email protected] <[email protected]>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 6:19 PM Battula, Brahma Reddy
> >>>>> <[email protected] <[email protected]>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Kengo Seki,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks for pitching here.. We'll use following repo, how other
> >> components in Apache are hosted. Any other suggestions..?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 20/06/22, 2:32 PM, "Kengo Seki" <[email protected] <
> >> [email protected]>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Oh, I've just noticed that I submitted an additional question
> >> into the
> >>>>>> wrong thread mistakenly.
> >>>>>>
> >>
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> >> is
> >>>>>> originally intended as a reply to this thread. Sorry for the
> >>>>>> confusion.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Kengo Seki <[email protected] <[email protected]>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 11:31 AM Kengo Seki <[email protected] <
> >> [email protected]>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thank you so much for writing the draft and commenting on it,
> >> Brahma and Viraj!
> >>>>>>> Firstly, a minor comment:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Trunk Code : Parallel we can work for the trunk code, this we
> >> might give as 2.8.
> >>>>>>>> * Working on bigtop mpack
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This means adding a new built-in stack which uses the Bigtop
> >>>>>>> repository, and not developing Mpack on the Bigtop side, right?
> >>>>>>> If so, "bigtop mpack" sounds confusing a bit.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> hdp-select can stay on branch-2.7 and it can be moved to
> >> bigtop for trunk branch. Thoughts?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sounds good to me. During the 2.7.x releases, users can use the
> >> HDP
> >>>>>>> stack by default. In addition, they can also add the Bigtop
> >> stack
> >>>>>>> through the Mpack, as Zhiguo mentioned in [1].
> >>>>>>> Since 2.8 or 3.0, we will drop HDP and users can use the
> >> built-in
> >>>>>>> Bigtop stack by default. It also allows us to drop the Mpack on
> >> the
> >>>>>>> Bigtop side.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Regarding the built-in Bigtop stack developed on trunk, the
> >> current
> >>>>>>> BIGTOP stack in Ambari [2] may be a good start point to be
> >> upgraded.
> >>>>>>> I ensured that Ambari 2.7.6 was successfully built with the
> >>>>>>> `-Dstack.distribution=BIGTOP` option, though Bigtop 0.8 is too
> >> old to
> >>>>>>> use for now.
> >>>>>>>
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