Hey Andy, I agree with most of your sentiments but we haven't even been able
to muster a "nothing went wrong this quarter" unless it's Lewis writing it. We need at least 3 active people here to call this a community. Are there 3 people willing to write a report saying nothing went wrong this quarter? Beyond that, my concern is that we use metrics/health to measure if a project is still "alive". These are things like releases, addition of new committers, mailing list activity (dev+user+etc), general "feel good" things like presenting at conferences, etc. My gut feeling is that if things were going on in Any23, we'd at least hear X% * one of those metrics. Right now the net is 0. So, I'm not sure there's much life here..I want there to be, but it's got to me more than me prodding, Lewis doing most of the measurable work and you chiming in with the words of encouragement (which I appreciate!) Are there any devs that can answer the call above to keep the project going as a TLP? Even if it heads to the Attic, it's not a bad thing -- the project can be easily "restarted" and life breathed into it by Board resolution -- the Incubator could be another path out of the Attic at that point is there a community behind it. Or, if someone wants to fork it, under the terms of our license, that's another one. Of course, I favor the community being at the ASF, but we need to find that community first, hence this thread. Cheers, Chris -----Original Message----- From: Andy Seaborne <[email protected]> Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, October 5, 2013 5:11 AM To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [][] Apache Any23 >On 04/10/13 23:31, lewis john mcgibbney wrote: >> Hi Board@, >> Having missed last months report, this months report is rather peculiar >> in the sense that we are at crossroad within the very few (active) >> members of the community as to where to take the project. >> >> Progress has been very very slow. There have been a couple of new users >> of the software but the community, for all intent and means, has been >> unable to help them on mailing list. It is therefore sad that new users >> questions have gone virtually unanswered... which is a real pity. >> >> This email I suppose serves to act as a direct line of communicating the >> current community position within Apache Any23. This is not the first >> time that the attic has been mentioned. >> >> It is also important to say that we intend to approach the Apache Tika >> community in an attempt to invoke motivation behind merging some/all of >> the Any23 codebase into Apache Tika as there are numerous areas which >> one could define as being of common interest to both projects. I am >> kicking off this discussion on [email protected] after I close this thread. >> >> If a formal report in the usual structure is required then I will be >> more than happy to post it here, however in all honesty there is >> literally zilch to report. >> >> Thanks >> Lewis > >This is tricky. > >Quiet !=> attic. >"attic" implies to me a sense of "don't use". > >This isn't the only project in the state of low activity in the dev >community but with active use. > >I think there is a more general ASF issue about "small" projects here; I >can't properly articulate it but something about being in "primarily >maintence mode", still in use, still useful, but having possibly having >difficulty getting 3 +1's in the same time interval. People are around, >but with synchronization difficulties due to other things to do. > >Many of the processes and the culture here at ASF are, quite reasonably >and necessarily, centered on large and/or active projects, yet there is >an important role for code to remain live even if not changing much. > >Maybe it's just being more relaxed about reports that say "nothing went >wrong this quarter". > > Andy > >"small" can still be a lot of code. "small" community. >
