Ilya, Thanks for understanding. We all intend to make Apache Apex a very open community for contributions, committership, and (P)PMC. I know I am speaking on the behalf of all of Apache Apex, but I am very glad on how open and participative Apache Apex community has turned out to be. We all will strive to retain this culture in our community. I am also pointing out that our mentors have been extremely helpful, and we could not have asked for better mentors.
Thks, Amol On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Ganelin, Ilya <[email protected]> wrote: > Amol - that makes sense. Thank you for the clarification. > > > > Thank you, > Ilya Ganelin > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Amol Kekre [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] > Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 08:44 PM Eastern Standard Time > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Is discussion happening in private? > > > Ilya, > There was a discussion on private on whether all initial committers were in > PPMC, as some committers were not voting as binding. We pointed out that it > was not the case as per the original thoughts to keep committers and (P)PMC > separate. Then on the discussion was moved to dev@. That thread does > include among other things, details of my interaction with mentors > pre-incubation of Apache Apex and how the ball on listing PPMC got dropped > (my bad) in pre incubation exchanges. Some of that exchange may include > text that participants thought was for private. Forwarding that to dev@ > may > have privacy issue. > > Thks, > Amol > > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Ganelin, Ilya < > [email protected]> > wrote: > > > From recent discussion on the dev list, there have been several comments > > that have indicated that there are discussions happening in the private > > mailing list. I know that several PPMC members are not privy to this > > private mailing list and as such have been left out of these discussions. > > > > Given the recent questions about the PPMC, until the current vote passes, > > the Apache documentation states that all PPMC should be privy to that > > discussion: > > > > "The mentors should verify that all PPMC members are actually subscribed > > to the private list. Mailing list moderators can request the list of > > subscribers using ezmlm commands, and any subscriber can send a "ping - > > please reply" message to check who is actually "listening" to the PPMC > > list.” > > > > Having these discussions in private, hidden from the broader community, > > does not facilitate constructive discourse and makes it harder for > current > > PPMC members to participate or to appreciate other perspectives. From the > > documentation: > > > > "Most communication should be on the Podling's dev list! The private list > > is used only for confidential discussions that should not be made public, > > such as the suitability of a particular individual to become a committer > or > > a member of the PPMC.” > > > > Since the present discussion does not deal with the specific suitability > > of individuals, but rather applies to the community as a whole, I believe > > those discussions should have been conducted in view of the general > > community on the dev list, and that it makes sense to share these > > discussion threads here. > > > > The alternative is to add all current PPMC members to the private list > but > > given that that list is potentially shrinking in the near future, that > may > > be unwarranted. > > > > Relevant documentation below: > > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html > > > > ________________________________________________________ > > > > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and/or > > proprietary to Capital One and/or its affiliates and may only be used > > solely in performance of work or services for Capital One. The > information > > transmitted herewith is intended only for use by the individual or entity > > to which it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the > intended > > recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, retransmission, > > dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of, or taking of any > > action in reliance upon this information is strictly prohibited. If you > > have received this communication in error, please contact the sender and > > delete the material from your computer. > > > ________________________________________________________ > > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and/or > proprietary to Capital One and/or its affiliates and may only be used > solely in performance of work or services for Capital One. The information > transmitted herewith is intended only for use by the individual or entity > to which it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, retransmission, > dissemination, distribution, copying or other use of, or taking of any > action in reliance upon this information is strictly prohibited. If you > have received this communication in error, please contact the sender and > delete the material from your computer. >
