Thanks Tom for this clear description on the benefits of ArgoUML and
ArgoEclipse.
/Linus
2009/3/11 Tom Morris <[email protected]>
> David Glaser asked over on the ArgoUML dev list what the relationship
> between ArgoUML and Papyrus is. Since ArgoEclipse is actually much
> closer to Papyrus, I thought I'd take a crack at answering here.
>
> ArgoEclipse is just one of a few different open source UML plugins for
> Eclipse. Two other prominent ones are Papyrus and TOPCASED. Papyrus
> was recently selected as the "anointed one" by the Eclipse Foundation,
> so it would be easy to say "Papyrus wins, everyone else loses," but I
> don't see it that way. I think it's too early to be dropping work on
> other efforts like ArgoEclipse. Not only does Papyrus have some
> significant shortcomings, but competition helps improve all the
> competitors. Eventually, if Papyrus is successful and becomes bundled
> with Eclipse, it may make sense to look at replacing some of the
> existing ArgoEclipse components with Papyrus components, but that day
> is a long way away.
>
> What are some of the differences between ArgoEclipse and Papyrus?
>
> - Experience - ArgoEclipse is the product of 10+ years of user feedback.
>
> - UML 1.4 and UML 2.x - probably the biggest difference is that
> ArgoEclipse supports UML 1.4 and will provide a migration path forward
> for ArgoEclipse and ArgoUML customers with legacy design data.
>
> - Code generation and reverse engineering - ArgoEclipse inherits from
> ArgoUML a large number of plugins to support code generation and
> reverse enginering for a multitude of languages (Java, Python, C++,
> C#, SQL, PHP, IDL, ...)
>
> - Plugin ecosystem - people around the globe have been developing
> diverse plugins for the better part of a decade. Of course Eclipse
> has got a thriving plugin ecosystem as well, but it's still maturing
> in the modeling space. Combining the two sets of plugins has the
> promise of great synergy.
>
> - Design critics - One of the original innovative features of Jason
> Robbins' thesis project is the use of design critics. These have been
> sadly neglected for the years, but still represent a valuable and
> unique feature.
>
> - Open development practices - The Papyrus project is controlled by a
> small group of European software consultancies and the government
> agencies (French Atomic Energy, etc) who fund them. There's no
> opportunity for anyone outside that sphere of influence to contribute.
> (Heck, they won't even answer questions on their newsgroup).
> ArgoEclipse, on the other hand, is open to all.
>
> - Intellectual property policies - The Eclipse Foundation is,
> rightfully for their goals, incredibly strict about intellectual
> property issues. They make it easy on their commercial partners by
> making it painful for their developers. While we believe strongly in
> clear intellectual property provenance, we're not willing to force
> developers to give up useful, widely adopted tools like ANTLR v2.x
> because the lawyers are feeling skittish. Commercial redistributors
> of ArgoEclipse can make their own judgements for cases like this.
>
> So, that's my take on things. What do others think?
>
> Tom
>
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 6:36 PM, David Glaser <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > Papyrus already has a repository that is an integral part of Eclipse.
>
> ArgoEclipse supports both the Eclipse UML2 plugin (is it really a
> repository?) and NetBeans MDR, so can interoperate with Papyrus,
> TOPCASED, and commercial Eclipse UML2-based tools.
>
> > Papyrus already has diagrams. Papyrus 1.10 (I think) had nice diagrams
> > but print control over the diagrams was very poor.
>
> Clearly all UML tools are going to have diagrams. ArgoEclipse has the
> same diagrams it's had for the last decade.
>
> > Papyrus - needs code generation tools.
>
> ArgoEclipse has these.
>
> > Papyrus - needs reverse engineering tools.
>
> ArgoEclipse has these
>
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