Hi, so I tried to derive action items how to improve the support page, and failed. Linus wants more guidance, but we do not agree on which channel should be suggested. :-(
Linus, this is why I intended to offer multiple channels for a while and let the user decide. The drawback of this is that not every user message reaches every developer, as Bob explained. But on the other hand, if we urge everybody to use one strict way to contact us, which currently includes registering to an unknown mailing list (I wouldn't do that by the way if this would be the only way to get support for, let's say, eclipse), than we probably will starve in our ivory tower. (Another side mark: I was not subscribed at the users mailing list for years and still had commit rights, so why is the users mailing list the only safe way to contact the developers?) So, here is my opinion: 1. Require the team members with developer role to subscribe to the dev mailing list. 2. Strongly suggest that team members with developer role both subscribe to the user mailing list AND check the users forum regularly. (At least one of both is a must, but luckily noone can control it.) I know some of us have an issue with checking the user forum. But in the end it's just the visit of ONE link , so just ONE CLICK! Here is a list of steps how to set it up: 1. register at http://www.argouml-users.net/forum 2. log in an check the "remember me" box in the login dialog (will save a cookie) 3. save http://www.argouml-users.net/forum as a browser bookmark That's all! I visit this page every day, no problem! I you do so, you'll see immediadely (marked red) if there is a new message, and for reading them there's even a "read new posts" link available. Regarding irc chat: I was there sometimes and must admit: Bob and others are really there, but no activity. This is not my favourite, so I'll tend to make it optional and also communicate it that way. Regarding wiki: believe me, it already contains a lot of useful stuff. E.g. I consider the user instructions for the new profile functionality much more useful than what we have in the user manual, even if it's short. And it's there for weeks already! And guess what's easier to extend (I event couldn't contribute to the user manual, because I have no subversion here, but I do have a web browser). We have indeed a great user knowledge resource with the wiki, and I'm glad that we soon have a similar dev knowledge resource! So, why not offer all channel equally for some time and see how users decide? (As I can see: WE will not come to a decision, never...) Regards, Thomas P.S.: I searched the web for months to find where the potential users of ArgoUML discuss, and I found that there are no active discussions just for the sake of UML or special tools. Only sparse modeling messages in domain specific areas. However, there ARE well know UML web resources in the web, and if we want to become one of them, we must provide content with real user value. I hope the user wiki will evolve in that direction: not only ArgoUML, but modeling in general, other tools, mehtodologies and such. And it's great that a forum is integrated: imagine if users not only ask about usage of ArgoUML, but how to model in general or which method to use and such. -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:05:34 +0200 > Von: "Linus Tolke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > An: [email protected] > Betreff: Re: [argouml-dev] Plan (was: [argouml-dev] new screenshot for 0.26) > About the Users' mailing list and the Forums... > > Perhaps we have been moving a little too fast with this. Perhaps we need > some more discussion on what their purpose and relationship are before we > do > some definite changes. > > > The issue is not, however, if this is a third-party Forum/Wiki or not. I > would like to consider the argouml-users web site as another part of the > ArgoUML project. The issue is communication as you point out. How shall we > create a community where users can discuss their issues without always > drawing in developers and where developers can discuss their issues > without > alienating the users while there is still communication between these > groups > on common issues? The separate site for the users and links to the main > site > so that users can poke around and all developers knowing about the users' > site and monitoring what is going on there I thought is the best solution > for now. What could we do instead? What are the options? > > /Linus > > > 2008/7/24, Bob Tarling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > All I have seen written about the users wiki (which includes the > > forums) is that they are by the users for the users. > > > > So I haven't paid it too much attention. So long as one of those users > > then brings issues into any of the tools that are under ArgoUML > > ownership then I don't mind that such third party sites are around. > > > > But I'm not likely to be active there so by suggesting users do not > > use the argouml mailing list means that I am likely to miss their > > questions directly. > > > > I would like to see all our mailing lists become more like forums with > > email notification and I'm very much looking forward to a developers > > wiki. > > > > As far as suggesting users come to the IRC channel I don't think thats > > a good idea for my own personal perspective. I tend to hang around > > there so am available to answer questions to anyone who prompts me. > > That is usually one of our students or another developer and I will > > usually spare the time to help when I can. If I find I am getting > > asked questions on usability about parts of ArgoUML to which I have no > > knowledge I think I'm likely to find this annoying. So the loss would > > be to the other devs and students if I'm not around there so often. > > > > A second IRC channel for users may be an option and we'll see how > > popular it becomes. I'm willing to try it out and see how it disturbs > > my time sitting there and our current channel. However I'd like to > > back out and go back to a pure dev channel if I feel I need to do so > > and there I can continue to support other devs and students. > > > > I think users should be encouraged to keep to our official argouml > > owned mediums. If they choose to use third party forums also then > > that's their choice but they risk getting less immediate attention > > from people such as myself. > > > > Cheers > > > > Bob. > > > > > > > > 2008/7/24 Linus Tolke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Hello Thomas! > > > Great work with this. I have some comments though. > > > > > > About the announcement: > > > > > > It could contain information on that the support page function within > > > ArgoUML is available in the upcoming 0.26 release and not before that. > > > I would like you to post this News item and then I can approve it. You > > can > > > do that immediately. > > > > > > > > > About the support page: > > > > > > I think there are too many alternatives for the users to choose from > and > > not > > > enough guidance as to when to use one or the other. Especially whether > to > > > use the Emails or the Forums. Isn't it time to stop recommending the > > Users' > > > mailing list and let it die in favor of the Forums? > > > It should be clearly stated that on the Issuezilla, Users' Mailing > list, > > > Forum, Wiki and Chat we use English. > > > Email/Forum in other languages (German and Spanish?) could eventually > be > > > made available if a need arises. Actually there are Users' mailing > lists > > for > > > a lot of languages created and with the Tigris upgrade they will get > > > promoted to Discussion Forums making them available both as mailing > list > > and > > > Forums, but I don't think we should promote them until there is some > > > activity and the promotion is an outspoken wish from a community in > that > > > language. > > > What are the plans on making the Support page in itself available in > > > different languages? Should the page opened depend on the language > chosen > > in > > > the application? > > > > > > > > > Another comment on promoting this: > > > > > > Whatever the decision on the Email/Forum issue is, the Tigris upgrade > > allows > > > us more possibilities to edit the footer of the mailing list messages. > I > > > plan to use this also to promote the wiki, forums, and IRC. You can > start > > > thinking about formulations for these. > > > > > > > > > /Linus > > > > > > > > > 2008/7/23, Thomas N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > >> > > >> Hi Linus, > > >> > > >> I finished work on the support page, so that you can go ahead and > > announce > > >> it in a news item and in a mail to the users mailing list, as you > said. > > Here > > >> is a proposal, feel free to change or replace it: > > >> > > >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> Subject: New support page, new support channels > > >> > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> the project team proudly announces a new support page. It contains > links > > >> and > > >> information about the available support channels. You can find the > > already > > >> known issue tracking system (issuezilla) and the users mailing list, > but > > >> also > > >> new possibilities: a forum, a wiki and even a chatroom (irc channel). > > All > > >> these already went alive and are fully available! > > >> > > >> The support page is available: > > >> - in the left hand menu of all project web pages > > >> (http://argouml.tigris.org/support.html) > > >> - inside the ArgoUML application, if internet is reachable > > >> (Help -> Help F1, then the Support tab in the opening dialog box) > > >> > > >> Have a look and enjoy! > > >> The ArgoUML project team > > >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > >> So, here is my progress status: > > >> > 1. 100% > > >> > 2. 100% > > >> > 3. 100% > > >> > 4. 80% (we gathered new features recently) > > >> > 5. 80% (need to be sent) > > >> > > >> Item 4 will be done when 0.26 is released, OK? > > >> > > >> Regards, > > >> Thomas > > >> > > >> -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > > >> > Datum: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:46:07 +0200 > > >> > Von: "Thomas N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> > An: [email protected] > > >> > Betreff: [argouml-dev] Plan (was: [argouml-dev] new screenshot for > > 0.26) > > >> > > >> > Hi Linus, > > >> > > > >> > thanks for the starting shot. I have some personal constraints next > > >> > days, > > >> > but it should be manageable. > > >> > > > >> > Here's my plan: > > >> > > > >> > 1. Create a support page for the project, > > >> > http://argouml.tigris.org/support.html > > >> > 2. Add a "Support" link to it in the "Using ArgoUML" menu > > >> > 3. Update the main page, mainly the screenshot > > >> > 4. Provide you with a news message for the coming release 0.26 > > >> > 5. Provide you with a news message for the new user channels and > the > > >> > support page > > >> > > > >> > Progress so far: > > >> > 1. 20%: initial version with just the naked links exists > > >> > 2. 0% > > >> > 3. 50% (new screenshot ready) > > >> > 4. 80% (we gathered new features recently) > > >> > 5. 0% > > >> > > > >> > About the support page: > > >> > This page will serve as a single point of (contact) information for > > how > > >> > to > > >> > get support. It will primary push the existing channels (mailing > > lists, > > >> > issuezilla), but also introduce the users wiki+forum and the IRC > > >> > channel. > > >> > I'll gather information from the manuals, cookbook etc. to direct > the > > >> > users > > >> > correctly. By the way: the support page will also be shown in the > help > > >> > dialog > > >> > inside ArgoUML, so help improving it! > > >> > > > >> > About the users wiki+forum: > > >> > Before promoting it, you all should have a look on it. Check the > > >> > content, > > >> > but don't censor it. Here are the 2 links: > > >> > http://www.argouml-users.net/ > > >> > http://www.argouml-users.net/forum/ > > >> > > > >> > About the IRC channel: > > >> > I never used it, and I'm a little worried because this medium needs > > >> > constant online presence, which for all the other channels is not > > >> > required. Who > > >> > will watch this? If in doubt, it would probably be better to drop > this > > >> > idea. > > >> > Please speak up! > > >> > > > >> > Any further ideas/comments? > > >> > (Linus, should the result be documented anywhere for further > > >> > maintainance? > > >> > I'll think about it.) > > >> > > > >> > Regards, > > >> > Thomas > > >> > > > >> > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > > >> > > Datum: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 00:52:37 +0200 > > >> > > Von: "Linus Tolke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> > > An: [email protected] > > >> > > Betreff: Re: [argouml-dev] new screenshot for 0.26 > > >> > > > >> > > Hello Thomas! > > >> > > > > >> > > I don't think we should wait with this and similar stuff. Do this > as > > >> > soon > > >> > > as > > >> > > you are ready. There is enough work to do and to review and > discuss > > at > > >> > the > > >> > > release so as much as possible should be done ahead of time. > > >> > > > > >> > > Another thing along these lines, isn't it time to promote the > user > > >> > > Forum > > >> > > and > > >> > > Wiki from the argouml site? At least adding links to the users' > site > > >> > among > > >> > > the Project Tools. Once the links are in place we could issue a > News > > >> > item > > >> > > and a message to the users' and announce mailing lists. This > could > > >> > > also > > >> > be > > >> > > done now, before the release. > > >> > > > > >> > > /Linus > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > 2008/7/14, Thomas N. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Hi Michiel, > > >> > > > > > >> > > > I'll wait until 0.26 is released. By the way, I made a new one > > with > > >> > the > > >> > > > default shadow, otherwise it's the same. Hope it's OK. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Thank you, > > >> > > > Thomas > > >> > > > > > >> > > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > > >> > > > > Datum: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:16:56 +0200 > > >> > > > > Von: "Michiel van der Wulp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> > > > > An: [email protected] > > >> > > > > Betreff: Re: [argouml-dev] new screenshot for 0.26 > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Hi Thomas, > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > No remarks any more ... please make it live (now or when the > > >> > > > > release > > >> > > is > > >> > > > > done?). > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Michiel > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > > > > From: "Thomas N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > >> > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:34 PM > > >> > > > > Subject: Re: [argouml-dev] new screenshot for 0.26 > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Hi Michiel, > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > thanks for your comments. The "annotated element" stands for > the > > >> > line > > >> > > > > between class and comment, I don't know when it was > introduced. > > I > > >> > > > > activated > > >> > > > > guillemots and switched to the package centric perspective. > Only > > >> > > > drawback: > > >> > > > > the less interesting model elements are now displayed in the > > >> > explorer, > > >> > > > but > > >> > > > > it's OK. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > File attached (under different name). > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > Thomas > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > > >> > > > > > Datum: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:15:08 +0200 > > >> > > > > > Von: "Michiel van der Wulp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> > > > > > An: [email protected] > > >> > > > > > Betreff: Re: [argouml-dev] new screenshot for 0.26 > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Hi Thomas, > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Still more remarks: > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Since you use the Diagram-centric perspective, there is an > > >> > > "Annotated > > >> > > > > > Element" visible, which is quite useless and only visible > with > > >> > this > > >> > > > > > perspective. IMHO it would be better to stick with the > default > > >> > > > > > package-centric perspective. > > >> > > > > > BTW: I did not even remember having seen this element > > before... > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > The original screenshot shows guillemots instead of double > << > > >> > > >> > for > > >> > > a > > >> > > > > > stereotype. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Other than this, the screenshot is OK for me. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Regards, > > >> > > > > > Michiel > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > > > > > From: "Thomas N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> > > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > >> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:57 PM > > >> > > > > > Subject: Re: [argouml-dev] new screenshot for 0.26 > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Hi Michiel, > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > yes, png is much better. I attached it. > > >> > > > > > Maybe a color similar to the project home page is not > desired, > > >> > > > > > is > > >> > > more > > >> > > > > > contrast better? Blue again? > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Thomas > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > > >> > > > > > > Datum: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:50:07 +0200 > > >> > > > > > > Von: "Michiel van der Wulp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> > > > > > > An: [email protected] > > >> > > > > > > Betreff: Re: [argouml-dev] new screenshot for 0.26 > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hi Thomas, > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I do not understand the problem with the poor quality of > the > > >> > GIF. > > >> > > > > > > Maybe it is the low number of colours? > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Anyhow, using a JPG is not a good idea for screenshots, > due > > to > > >> > the > > >> > > > > lossy > > >> > > > > > > compression. A far better choice would be PNG then. > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > If others agree with the greenish colours, then that's > fine > > by > > >> > me. > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards, > > >> > > > > > > Michiel > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > > > > > > From: "Thomas N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> > > > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > >> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:38 PM > > >> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [argouml-dev] new screenshot for 0.26 > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hi Michiel and Linus, > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Linus is right about the poor quality when dispplayed in > a > > >> > > browser. > > >> > > > > It's > > >> > > > > > a > > >> > > > > > > problem I'm having with GIF. Attached is a JPG version, > but > > >> > > > > > > I'm > > >> > > > > working > > >> > > > > > on > > >> > > > > > > a > > >> > > > > > > better solution > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Michiel, you're right that some new features are visible > on > > >> > > > > > > it. > > >> > I > > >> > > > fear > > >> > > > > > the > > >> > > > > > > tabs must be in 2 lines, otherwise the image will be too > > wide. > > >> > The > > >> > > > > > colors > > >> > > > > > > are from Win XP with highest resolution. I'll reduce > > >> > > > > > > resolution > > >> > > and > > >> > > > > try > > >> > > > > > > again, but I like the colors because they fit well to the > > >> > > homepage. > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hold on, > > >> > > > > > > Thomas > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > > >> > > > > > > > Datum: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 21:26:15 +0200 > > >> > > > > > > > Von: "Michiel van der Wulp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> > > > > > > > An: [email protected] > > >> > > > > > > > Betreff: Re: [argouml-dev] new screenshot for 0.26 > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hi Thomas, > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This is a great idea! > > >> > > > > > > > I see some new features, and a bug fix. The size of the > > gif > > >> > > > > > > > is > > >> > a > > >> > > > bit > > >> > > > > > > > larger, > > >> > > > > > > > but I guess that will still fit. > > >> > > > > > > > The readability is better even than the previous > > screenshot > > >> > > > > > > > - > > >> > I > > >> > > do > > >> > > > > not > > >> > > > > > > > know > > >> > > > > > > > why Linus contradicts this. > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The tabs in the details pane are on 2 lines - maybe you > > can > > >> > try > > >> > > if > > >> > > > > it > > >> > > > > > > fits > > >> > > > > > > > on one line - that looks so much nicer. > > >> > > > > > > > About the colors: Are these the default colours on > Vista? > > >> > Since > > >> > > > IMHO > > >> > > > > > the > > >> > > > > > > > looks should be either the XP look, like before, or the > > >> > default > > >> > > > > Vista > > >> > > > > > > > look. > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards, > > >> > > > > > > > Michiel > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > > > > > > > From: "Thomas N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> > > > > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > >> > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:16 PM > > >> > > > > > > > Subject: [argouml-dev] new screenshot for 0.26 > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hi, > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > please find attached a new slightly improved > screenshot > > >> > > candidate > > >> > > > > > for > > >> > > > > > > > the > > >> > > > > > > > > project homepage. I'ts based on the model in > subversion > > >> > > > > > > > > (documentation/manual/models/The Shapes > Project.zargo). > > I > > >> > > > modified > > >> > > > > > it > > >> > > > > > > by > > >> > > > > > > > > renaming project and class diagram, adding a sequence > > >> > diagram > > >> > > > > > (empty), > > >> > > > > > > > and > > >> > > > > > > > > rearanging class figs. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Is it OK if this screenshot will replace the current > > >> > > screenshot? > > >> > > > > > > > > When? (on release of 0.26 or earlier?) > > >> > > > > > > > > Improvements? (File size etc.) > > >> > > > > > > > > Shall I commit the modified project? (same place or > > >> > > elsewhere?) > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards, > > >> > > > > > > > > Thomas > > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > >> > > > > > > > > GMX startet ShortView.de. Hier findest Du Leute mit > > Deinen > > >> > > > > > Interessen! > > >> > > > > > > > > Jetzt dabei sein: > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.shortview.de/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > >> > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > >> > > > > > > > > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1549 - > > Release > > >> > > Date: > > >> > > > > > > > 7/12/2008 > > >> > > > > > > > > 4:31 PM > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > >> > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > -- > > >> > > > > > > GMX Kostenlose Spiele: Einfach online spielen und Spaß > haben > > >> > mit > > >> > > > > Pastry > > >> > > > > > > Passion! > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > http://games.entertainment.gmx.net/de/entertainment/games/free/puzzle/6169196 > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > >> > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > >> > > > > > > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1549 - > Release > > >> > > > > > > Date: > > >> > > > > > 7/12/2008 > > >> > > > > > > 4:31 PM > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > -- > > >> > > > > > Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? > > >> > > > > > Der kann`s mit allen: > http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > >> > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > >> > > > > > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1549 - Release > > Date: > > >> > > > > 7/12/2008 > > >> > > > > > 4:31 PM > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > -- > > >> > > > > GMX Kostenlose Spiele: Einfach online spielen und Spaß haben > mit > > >> > > Pastry > > >> > > > > Passion! > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > http://games.entertainment.gmx.net/de/entertainment/games/free/puzzle/6169196 > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > >> > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > >> > > > > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1551 - Release > Date: > > >> > > > 7/14/2008 > > >> > > > > 6:49 AM > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > > > > >> > > > -- > > >> > > > GMX Kostenlose Spiele: Einfach online spielen und Spaß haben > mit > > >> > Pastry > > >> > > > Passion! > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > http://games.entertainment.gmx.net/de/entertainment/games/free/puzzle/6169196 > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > -- > > >> > GMX Kostenlose Spiele: Einfach online spielen und Spaß haben mit > > Pastry > > >> > Passion! > > >> > > > >> > > > > http://games.entertainment.gmx.net/de/entertainment/games/free/puzzle/6169196 > > >> > > > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? > > >> Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger > > >> > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
